Fore & Aft / Deerstalker?

[BoldHighlander]

Okay, this one is for Jock Scot (or anyone else for that matter).

While surfing this site: Sutherland Sporting Tweed Company, and checking out their hats, I couldn't help but notice that they have one style of hat called a "deerstalker" w/ stiff brim all the way around, and a Fore & Aft (listed as Sherlock Holmes).

I'm confused

In Scotland are Deerstalkers and Fore & Aft's two different hats?
Over here on this side of the pond one seem's to be synonymous with the other, and when one or the other term is mentioned one almost always thinks of the image of Sherlock Holmes

Anyways, I'm curious what these two names bring to mind in Scotland when mentioned? Two different style hats? One & the same?

Thanks.

[Bugbear]

I'm confused now too. I thought the Deerstalker was the double brim hat with the ear flaps that are often tied up on the hat. I thought the Fore & Aft was basically the same, but without the flaps... Holmes was usually depicted with the Deerstalker... I thought.

[BoldHighlander]

I'm confused now too. I thought the Deerstalker was the double brim hat with the ear flaps that are often tied up on the hat. I thought the Fore & Aft was basically the same, but without the flaps... Holmes was usually depicted with the Deerstalker... I thought.

Well...uh, yes...that's why I'm asking

[Jock Scot]

Yes I can see the confusion and I am not to blame! Well that's my story anyway! I have looked at the Sutherland ------ website and they do indeed confuse things more than somewhat with their labeling.Haggarts of Aberfeldy label their hats the same way. I have had it explained, by some one who knows, that they are so tired of explaining to visitors which hat is which, that they have bowed to pressure to call a deer stalker a Sherlock Holmes for a quiet life! I could be wrong(please accept my apologies if I am), but at a guess the Sutherland Tweed shop probably gets their hats from the same source as Haggarts, hence the same labeling. REST ASSURED WE LOCALS call a deer stalker a deer stalker NOT repeat NOT EVER a Sherlock Holmes and WE call a fore and aft a fore and aft and NOT repeat NOT EVER a deer stalker. In other words, Deer stalker with flaps. Fore and aft WITHOUT ear flaps.

Out of interest you will see the BUGATTI cap advertised and shown on the Sutherland website(another connection to Haggarts?)If you chaps want a versitile cap that can keep the head,ears and neck warm then look no further. I cannot praise this bit of clothing highly enough.

[McMurdo]

Thanks for that Jock
I've been thinking about picking up a bugatti, and a fore and aft myself.

[george7]

They've also got 'baseball' hats that are obviously not designed for wear at baseball events.

[Jock Scot]

They've also got 'baseball' hats that are obviously not designed for wear at baseball events.

I have never actually seen a local wear one of those and one thing is for sure, that this local is not going to start the trend.

[David Thornton]

I'd get me one of them stalker hats cept it ain't got no orange on it.


But I guess it is being discussed as a fashionable accessory rather than a field functional hat. But I do like the site.

David

[Spc. Scott]

They have a really nice site. I'm surprised that I hadn't come across it earlier.

My bookmarks folder is getting pretty stuffed.

[Spc. Scott]

I'd get me one of them stalker hats cept it ain't got no orange on it.


But I guess it is being discussed as a fashionable accessory rather than a field functional hat. But I do like the site.

David

Do they have the same laws regarding blaze orange that we have here in the states?