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30th August 13, 07:08 AM
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PC Waistcoat Options: 3 vs 5 Button
Greetings all,
I'm currently going through the motions of purchasing my very first "tank" and have a question about the PC waistcoat options.
Is there a difference between the 3 and 5 button options? Personally, I feel the 5 button would best suit me. I've always been a vest/waistcoat guy and all my business suits and tuxedos thus far, have been 3 piece.
So the questions stands; is it just a style thing or is there a reason why you would purchase one over the other.
Thanks in advance!
Paul
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30th August 13, 07:12 AM
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How much vest do you want to show? How hot is the climate where you are? Those are important even before you get started on discussing the meaning of the buttons.
Whole different question about the Prince Charlie though: Why? It's relatively recent and limited in its applications. If it's just a quick choice, why not consider some other options such as the Crail / Argyle spectrum. Consider a doublet; some of them are longer-established.
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30th August 13, 07:40 AM
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The 3-button waistcoat is considered more formal and appropriate for evening wear, and is the traditional norm for wearing with a Prince Charlie jacket.
The 5-button waistcoat is more commonly worn with an Argyle jacket; however in more recent times there has been a trend to wearing it with the more formal Prince Charlie, as well. Some view it as a fad. Whether it will remain in style will be determined by the test of time!

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30th August 13, 11:15 AM
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This is only my opinion, but I think a 3 button with a bow tie, and a 5 button with a 'scrunch' or other tie. (illustrated brilliantly by Matthews photos).
Me - I have both, and wear them as described above.
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30th August 13, 11:57 AM
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I think wearing the 5-button vest with the PC is mirroring the trend of wearing a waistcoat instead of a cummerbund with a tuxedo.
John
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2nd September 13, 08:14 AM
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 Originally Posted by EagleJCS
I think wearing the 5-button vest with the PC is mirroring the trend of wearing a waistcoat instead of a cummerbund with a tuxedo.
John, I almost always wear a three or four button evening waistcoat with a dinner jacket, instead of a cummerbund. I wouldn't call wearing a waistcoat with a tuxedo a "trend", unless it is one of those horrid looking waistcoats with five buttons favoured by the Hollywood set!
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2nd September 13, 08:58 AM
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 Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome
The 5-button waistcoat is more commonly worn with an Argyle jacket; however in more recent times there has been a trend to wearing it with the more formal Prince Charlie, as well. Some view it as a fad. Whether it will remain in style will be determined by the test of time!

Given Matt's photo, above, the 5-button vest looks like a viable alternative. It certainly works better with a necktie (for those who just don't like a bow tie). Personally, I'd wear such a combination.
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2nd September 13, 10:44 AM
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 Originally Posted by unixken
Given Matt's photo, above, the 5-button vest looks like a viable alternative. It certainly works better with a necktie (for those who just don't like a bow tie). Personally, I'd wear such a combination.
In my opinion, the coatee does not lend itself to a five button waistcoat. You will not that the lapels of the coatee are cut low ( is this called the gore? ). The waistcoat should respect this, and by wearing a high buttoned waiscoat, the shirt front that should be showing is covered up. To my eye, something looks amiss.
I believe also that neckties with evening dress ( instead of bowties ) are a fad and look out of place.
Just my 2p's worth!
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2nd September 13, 10:46 AM
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2nd September 13, 12:49 PM
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 Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR
In my opinion, the coatee does not lend itself to a five button waistcoat. You will not that the lapels of the coatee are cut low ( is this called the gore? ). The waistcoat should respect this, and by wearing a high buttoned waiscoat, the shirt front that should be showing is covered up. To my eye, something looks amiss.
I believe also that neckties with evening dress ( instead of bowties ) are a fad and look out of place.
Just my 2p's worth!
I agree.
I was always given to believe that the PC is a one trick pony, that is to say black tie only. And by black tie, I mean bow tie, low cut (3 button) waistcoat and worn in the evening only. Not with long tie (rouche or otherwise) and not with a high cut (5 button) waistcoat.
A total package and not a kit of parts to mix and match.
When I see someone wearing a PC or tuxedo in an 'experimental' fashion, my first thought is that they don't know how to wear it properly.
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