Limits of tattersall

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Jock Scot made an interesting comment in another thread, and not wanting to hijack that thread, I thought it better to start a new one. Note: I'm posting this specifically in the traditional forum so as to focus on the traditional perspective.

In a discussion about sources for shirts, the tattersall shirt offerings at Samuel Windsor were brought up. Jock Scot's reply was:

I had a quick look at their tattersall and "country" shirts and found that they tend to look a tad "noisier" than some of the shirts that we are used to over here.

It made me curious as to where we draw the line between tasteful, traditional tattersall shirt patterns and other noisier/louder patterns. Before you say it, yes, I realise that this borders on over-thinking things or focusing on minutia, but I enjoy such thought exercises. And yes, I realise that the term tattersall originally meant something very specific with regard to patterns on a horse blanket. I'm not interested in tedious definitions of how to define tattersall. I'm more interested in where the traditional eye ceases to think of a tattersall or checked shirt pattern being appropriate with the kilt, and what those factors would be.

Is it the size/spacing of the grids? Thickness of lines? Number of different colours of lines? Background/base colour? I hope the question makes sense.

A picture is worth a thousand words, yeah? I don't think there would be any use in trying to rigidly define such limits by measurements. I'm looking more for some visual examples of what traditionalists consider to be a solidly-traditional tattersall shirt for wearing with a kilt, as well as examples of when you'd be approaching the limits or going past the limits.

Below are a couple of the tattersall shirts I have. Apologies for my amateur selfie skills.

This one, I would presume, is a rather mild pattern that isn't too bold or "noisy". Would traditionalists agree?




What about this one? It is obviously a bolder pattern. Would it be approaching the "noise limit" for wearing with a kilt, or has it already passed that limit?



Do you have examples of shirts that you would say are traditional versus "too noisy"? And what about the pattern makes it so?