Royal Irish Rangers piper's kit Ebay

[OC Richard]

These military kilt threads never quite fit into any existing categories here. Shouldn't there be a separate "military kiltwearing" forum?

Anyhow this came up on Ebay. It's not quite what it appears to be, which is a near-complete piper's uniform of The Royal Irish Rangers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Irish-pipers...8AAOSw7n9XE~Xt

The tunic appears correct and complete. There the good news seems to end.

Note that the sporran appears to have the regimental cap badge affixed, rather than the sporran badge of the regiment.

The kilt lacks the applique shamrocks worn in the regiment.

The plaid thing looks completely different from the cloak think worn in the regiment, though the brooch might be correct.

Here's a photo from the listing



Compare this to an actual piper of the regiment



Here's another thing on Ebay now. It purports to be a Gordon Highlanders kilt, but as you can see though the tartan is Gordon the kilt itself has no resemblance to military kilts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gordon-Highl...EAAOSw-KFXfL7t

[Jock Scot]

OCR.

I too wonder if your thread is in the right section? Perhaps I am wrong, but is this not a mainly traditional civilian kilt forum? And yes, a military kilt section would be a good idea. Mods? Steve?

I have posted in the "suggestions forum" a request for a military kilt section. Perhaps attached to the Historical section? Thoughts ?

[OC Richard]

Yes considering how important military kiltwearing has been in the development and evolution of the kilt in general, and the things worn with it, one would have thought that there would have been an appropriate forum for military kiltwearing from the get-go.

That not being the case, and none of the existing categories really fitting, I'm at a loss each time I do a military-related thread to figure out what forum it should be in.

I stuck it here. Why not? Certainly "history and heritage" and "historical kiltwearing" are inappropriate because this is a current uniform. "General kilt talk" is already clogged with too many things that should be in other forums.

Such a forum could be called

Military kiltwearing

or

Kilts and Khaki

or what have you. "Kilts in the army" doesn't work- what about Royal Air Force pipe bands? Neither does "The Highland Soldier" because of threads like this one.

[Jock Scot]

Yes considering how important military kiltwearing has been in the development and evolution of the kilt in general, and the things worn with it, one would have thought that there would have been an appropriate forum for military kiltwearing from the get-go.

That not being the case, and none of the existing categories really fitting, I'm at a loss each time I do a military-related thread to figure out what forum it should be in.

I stuck it here. Why not? Certainly "history and heritage" and "historical kiltwearing" are inappropriate because this is a current uniform. "General kilt talk" is already clogged with too many things that should be in other forums.

Such a forum could be called

Military kiltwearing



or

Kilts and Khaki

or what have you. "Kilts in the army" doesn't work- what about Royal Air Force pipe bands? Neither does "The Highland Soldier" because of threads like this one.

It looks as though the mods. are on the case------see the suggestions section------and things are looking hopeful.

[ratspike]

That kilt is just plain awful looking, so I'm assuming it's Pakistani. It's really puffy looking at the waistband, like the wool Stillwater I used to have, which didn't have the guts of the pleats removed. It looks to have the same odd tartan-ish thing going on too, and the apron has the same rumpled, lightweight fabric look to it.

[OC Richard]

Sorry I'm not up on the Irish regiments. I found the following

"The Royal Irish Regiment, the one of the largest Infantry regiments in the British Army, was formed in Northern Ireland on 1st July 1992. This new regiment evolved from an amalgamation of The Royal Irish Rangers 27th (Inniskilling) 83rd & 87th and The Ulster Defence Regiment and is part of the Regular Army."

So there would be changes in badges, I would expect, between the pre- and post-1992 period.

Here's a pic of a piper of the new regiment. I note the interesting fringe on the bag-cover, which does indeed resemble the fringe on the plaid-thing on the Ebay listing. So, I suspect that post-1992 the big cloak worn by the Royal Irish Rangers might have been replaced by the plaid with multi-colour fringe, perhaps from one of the other parent regiments. This is mere guesswork.

[O'Callaghan]

Taking all your comments into account, it looks like someone acquired the top half of the outfit and put it up for sale with a civilian saffron kilt. It makes you wonder how that would come about, although I suppose if they have their own shop ('store' to Americans) it very well might.