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vintage thistle clan? badge
I just picked up this vintage thistle badge, in the form of a typical clan crest strap-and-buckle cap badge, on Ebay.
The sculpt on the thistle is wonderful, showing an artistry seldom seen nowadays.
But what clan is it, if indeed this is intended as a clan badge?
It's common, even now, for the firms that make clan badges to also make rampant lion badges, and thistle badges, either without wording or saying "Scotland". Is this badge of that sort?
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Order of the Thistle? I believe that's their motto.
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Nice casting.
It's not from the Order of the Thistle (a bit too tacky for them ). The motto is used by several Scottish Regiments, past and present. It's also like the Lowland Infantry Badge, but it's not that either.
It's also the motto of Scotland and that, combined with the Thistles, is probably the case here, a generic Scottish Cap Badge.
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That's what I was guessing, a generic "Scottish" badge.
I did wonder about the Clan badge possibility. I have some of the standard old books but they only list a handful of Clans.
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 Originally Posted by OC Richard
That's what I was guessing, a generic "Scottish" badge.
I did wonder about the Clan badge possibility. I have some of the standard old books but they only list a handful of Clans.
I'll check Fairbairn's Crests tomorrow but I can't think of any clan that uses the Thistle as a plant badge.
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Fergusson.
But there's a bee on it.
And the motto is Dulcius ex asperis.
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According to Fairbairn in addition to being the Motto of Scotland and of the Order of the Thistle, it's also for the names Bond, De Teissier, Hollinshed, Irwin, M'Geough-Bond, Nettles, Poingdestre, but it is none of these.
The closest is Irwin, Ireland, issuing out of a cloud a hand grasping a bunch of thistle ppr.
Nemo me impune lacessit. but yours has no hand or cloud.
So, generic Scottish badge by the looks of things which is better for general use.
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It doesn't look like the typical 'strap-and-buckle' clan badge design I'm used to seeing. Those usually have the end of the strap hanging down either in front of or behind the buckle. Also, it should be a white metal (silver, pewter, etc.) instead of what's pictured.
Taking a quick glance at it would lead me to think it belonged to someone with the thistle as the crest of their own coat of arms. (An armiger can wear a circlet with their own crest instead of the clansman's strap-and-buckle' badge.) Even then, I would think they made a mistake in having it cast in that metal.
it's a nice looking pin, though. Maybe for a ladies' scarf?
John
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Perhaps from the Scottish Thistle Squadron? There's a bit of a story about how their emblem came about here.
I'm 95% sure this is it, the 1st Squadron Stingers of Belgium.
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