Greetings

**KevinMurphy** · 16th April 21, 09:06 AM

Hello,

I am Kevin Murphy. I am a young man with a wife and newborn son, almost 9 months old, with a love of kilts and all things Celtic. I am also a co-admin of the Murphy DNA project at FamilytreeDNA. Anyone interested in understanding Y DNA and interesting history regarding the genetics of the Irish and Scots feel free to ask any questions. Something many may not know and be surprised by is that 33% of the Lowland Scots that settled in Ireland from the Ulster plantations onwards actually carry Gaelic Irish genetic markers. It appears that many of these settlers Irish ancestors had ended up in Scotland in around 1100 AD. Between 1100 and 1610 their descendants would evolve into English speaking, Protestant Lowland Scots. Quite fascinating that many Irish would return centuries later as foreigners. Not many people are aware of the extent of territory the Kingdom of Leinster controlled long ago. The Laighin gave their name to the Llŷn Peninsula in Northern Wales. The Laighin also settled much of the Isle of Man. Many of them scattered to different corners of the British Isles after their dominance ended.

Sláinte

Kevin Murphy

**Father Bill** · 16th April 21, 09:11 AM

Welcome to the "Great Rabble"!

**KiltedDixon** · 16th April 21, 09:45 AM

Welcome from Texas!

**Ninehostages** · 16th April 21, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by KevinMurphy

Hello,

I am Kevin Murphy. I am a young man with a wife and newborn son, almost 9 months old, with a love of kilts and all things Celtic. I am also a co-admin of the Murphy DNA project at FamilytreeDNA. Anyone interested in understanding Y DNA and interesting history regarding the genetics of the Irish and Scots feel free to ask any questions. Something many may not know and be surprised by is that 33% of the Lowland Scots that settled in Ireland from the Ulster plantations onwards actually carry Gaelic Irish genetic markers. It appears that many of these settlers Irish ancestors had ended up in Scotland in around 1100 AD. Between 1100 and 1610 their descendants would evolve into English speaking, Protestant Lowland Scots. Quite fascinating that many Irish would return centuries later as foreigners. Not many people are aware of the extent of territory the Kingdom of Leinster controlled long ago. The Laighin gave their name to the Llŷn Peninsula in Northern Wales. The Laighin also settled much of the Isle of Man. Many of them scattered to different corners of the British Isles after their dominance ended.

Sláinte

Kevin Murphy

You've summed up a big part of my own heritage (including the Gog part). Don't forget the fundamental fact that the Scots (or Scoti) in Latin were the inhabitants of Eire during the Iron Age, not Caledonia and they turned up on the Island of Britannia as the Romans were packing their rucksacks to go home to Dacia, Thracia, etc.

**bdkilted** · 16th April 21, 11:54 AM

Welcome from central Texas.

I'm married to a Murphy. Does your DNA project delineate between those from Cork and those from east of Ireland?
We went to Ireland to try to trace my wife's father's family, but when we told folks were were looking for records his grandfather Micheal Murphy, we were told "Good F____n luck with that, do you know how many Michael Murphy there are?

**grizzbass** · 16th April 21, 12:00 PM

good to have you here

**KevinMurphy** · 16th April 21, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by bdkilted

Welcome from central Texas.

I'm married to a Murphy. Does your DNA project delineate between those from Cork and those from east of Ireland?
We went to Ireland to try to trace my wife's father's family, but when we told folks were were looking for records his grandfather Micheal Murphy, we were told "Good F____n luck with that, do you know how many Michael Murphy there are?

My genetic family is the modal group in the project. More than twice as numerous as the second largest cluster. The overwhelming majority of the Murphys in this group have origins throughout the entirety of Munster, mostly Cork, Kerry, Clare, and Limerick. There is maybe one or two Murphys in other groups who have identified a Cork based ancestor, but over 95% fit into our group.

I am very gifted in researching genealogy and would be happy to help you figure out more about your wife's Murphys.

The Murphys are dominantly downstream of R-Z255 and likely came into Munster from Leinster almost a thousand years ago. There is another Murphy group downstream of R-Z255 that shares matches with Cavanaugh(of various spellings) and Kinsellas among other surnames that strongly confirm some truth in the Irish Pedigrees history regarding the origin of those surnames through children of Diarmaid Mac Murchadha. Our Murphys might be the Hy-Felimy dynasty where theirs without any doubt are collectively descendants of Hy-Chinseallagh dynasty, both which share the same male ancestor several centuries prior to the adoption of surnames as they are now. Thus these Murphys both independantly adopted the same surname. It is possible my own group is something besides the Hy-Felimy line, but it currently appears to make the most sense.
Our Murphys share an ancestor prior to the adoption of surnames with the O'hIongardails of Munster who are now Harringtons some even with the Úrdail agnomen. Unfortunately there is not a whole lot of information on this family prior to some fiants or pardons granted in the 14th century.

These advanced Y DNA tests, Big Y 700 in particular, have really provided a way to compare and contrast between historical events and what may also have been propaganda of ages gone by i.e. people inserting themselves into another family genealogy for political reasons. Then there are NPE(non paternal events) some which may never be understood depending on how far back such an event happened. In our own project we are sort of fortunate in that several NPEs are actual known about and there have been SNPs identified are now without any doubt to have belonged to a Murphy several hundred years ago. The Murphy Cavanagh Kinsella cluster is particulalry interesting. I really hope more of them may test the Big Y in the future. The more who test, the more accurate the age of SNPs can be determined to be.
My grandfather's 3rd cousin is awaiting Big Y results so my own SNP will very likely update within the next month. One of the SNPs discovered will likely belong to my 4th great grandfather, his 2nd great grandfather. Also the brickwall in our tree. These tests also provide a means of finding relatives who share the same male ancestor beyond the paper trail.

Kevin Murphy