Military Doublet question

[Eric D Scott]

Hi all,

I am keen on learning if a military doublet goes over the top of the kilt like an Argyll jacket would, or the bottom of the jacket ends at the top of the kilt, with only the tashes over-lapping the kilt.

I know if a standard military tunic is used with a cut-away pattern if would go over the kilt like I mentioned for the Argyll (at least in the Canadian Forces).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Eric

[rsvpiper]

Goes over the top

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Heavens, was there ever another way?

Even the short-cut Eisenhower jacket, abbreviated as it was, still went over the kilt waistband when pipe bands used them -- those that did, or could, like you-know-which pipers of notably poor tone from a New York Army Reserve regiment. Until the supply of easy Ike jackets was exhausted anyway.

[Piobair]

Some people buying ex MOD doublets often think their doublets are too short, when in fact their kilts aren't high enough. Military kilts are super high waisted. Take a look at pictures of PM Angus MacDonald in no. 1 - there are a lot of pics on the net - you can see that the bottom of the doublet/belt line sits around navel area. Unfortunately, there's been a trend in bands (particularly those buying doublets from Pakistan) where doublets or tunics are worn longer to match up with shorter waisted kilts.

[Phil]

This is what I would regard as a "military doublet" - . It has no "tashes" and is worn over the kilt with a belt over it. Every tailor in Scotland had their own name for such garments and such a doublet with tashes might be called a Kenmore or other name.

[theborderer]

The military doublet or No 1 Dress jacket. The jacket came to natural level of the waist and the waistbelt was lined up with this. The "tashes" came ti the hip

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[Piobair]

I have to respectfully disagree on that one. I'd call that one a Montrose doublet. The "military" tag indicates features common to regimental doublets, such as inverness flaps, cuffs, some piping and, for pipers, shoulder shells. I think you'll find that even the Kenmore would be inappropriate to recreate No. 1 dress, as the throat closure and cuff details are more appropriate for civillian wear. The naming convention seems pretty consistent - at least it was when I was in Scotland and appears to be the same in the US and Canada. A military doublet gets you one thing, Kenmore another. That said, I think I'd rather see pipers going with a well tailored evening doublet and appropriate accessories than a cobbled together No. 1 uniform.

Big Angus: AngusMacDonaldMBE.jpg Scots Guard doublet is a popular variant from the more common single breasted version.

MOD: $(KGrHqJ,!lwFFy5pmCo9BRhSI7etEg~~60_35.JPG A no frills, basic MOD doublet. Note waist relative to arm length.

[Phil]

I have to respectfully disagree on that one. I'd call that one a Montrose doublet.

Feel free to disagree as respectfully as you like. There are a profusion of different names for various highland jackets and I am just quoting the name of the jacket as it is known to me. The type of jacket you refer to I would call a piper's doublet with the tashes, piping and all the other bells and whistles.

[Eric D Scott]

To clarify I was asking about No 1, Ceremonial Dress doublets as seen in the photo above with the piper and the sword. I have mine now, and all is good.