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28th March 16, 10:36 AM
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N°1 dress uniform without plaid ?
Are there occasions when the British Army (Scottish) N°1 dress uniform is worn without a plaid ?
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31st March 16, 01:57 PM
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 Originally Posted by rolgiati
Are there occasions when the British Army (Scottish) N°1 dress uniform is worn without a plaid ?
If you mean the Royal Regiment of Scotland, then no always tartan. If you mean Scottish soldiers then a lot don't have tartan, Scots Guard, Corps etc. The pipers in the Scots Guards wear kilts.
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Jim
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31st March 16, 02:32 PM
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Sorry, I was not clear and precise enough.
My question concerns a piper in No1 dress, with kilt an doublet as per
this picture:

Would the piper ever wear it without the plaid ?
He either fears his fate too much, or his deserts are small
That put it not unto the touch to win or loose it all.
-- James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
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31st March 16, 04:41 PM
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That classic pipers' Full Dress costume you're referencing was adopted, as a whole, for the pipers of The Cameron Highlanders in the 1840s and rapidly spread to the other Scottish regiments.
It consisted of:
dark blue Glengarry without dicing
dark green doublet with Inverness skirts
kilt and long plaid
plaid brooch
dirk belt and crossbelt, black leather with silver/white metal hardware
dirk
long hair sporran
diced long hose and buckled shoes (white spats on parade)
This was adopted as a complete costume, and would always be worn that way.
Here it is

However, what's true of pipers isn't necessarily true of the rest of the soldiers in the regiment. Doublets were adopted for all Highland soldiers in 1855. Belted plaids were worn in Full Dress, long plaids by certain senior sergeants, and also by officers when wearing trews (at that time officers were mounted on horses).
Piper with long plaid, others without

Pipers would wear the long plaid even when NOT wearing the Full Dress doublet, for example here, with the undress frock

Or here, with the white drill (cotton) tropical weather coatee

Or even here, with the khaki (olive drab) serge Service Dress tunic

Now, it's true that the entire pipers' costume wasn't always worn as a unit.
In Khaki Drill pipers usually dispensed with the plaid, but still worn the dirk belt, dirk, and crossbelt.
Last edited by OC Richard; 31st March 16 at 05:08 PM.
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1st April 16, 06:46 AM
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As your question was specifically about Number 1 dress. The plaid was always worn by Pipers in this dress. Khaki jackets are Number six dress. White jackets are number 3 dress.
The Dress regulations are very specific for each dress regulation in the Scottish Division.
If you see a photo of a Piper without his plaid in No 1 dress, more than likely he is getting married.
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Jim
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1st April 16, 01:52 PM
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Last edited by Downunder Kilt; 1st April 16 at 02:18 PM.
Reason: Did not see the piper only reference
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