More Tartan ID's

[Hothir Ethelnor]

I found an old blanket said to be brought from Scotland by my Great Grandfather.

I am intrigued by it and would like to know if anyone knows the tartan

It's double thick with two tartans actually.

[Chas]

The second one looks like the MacLeod sett (the Loud MacLeod).

Regards

Chas

[RockyR]

The FIRST one is Grant Red:



The second one puzzles me. I don't think it's based the MacLeod sett as the "grey" areas wouldn't exist and the center stripe between the grey areas would be a different color.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Rocky,

The first one could be Drummond. :-)

That second one looks like MacKay, except it has a double black line on the blue. Looking through STA records, it seems to be a variation of the 42nd sett (or Campbell) recorded as No. 12 in the ITI. The records site Wilsons of Bannockburn's 1819 Key Pattern Book as the source, but I can't find it mentioned in Peter MacDonald's The 1819 Key Pattern Book (Peter, are you reading this?)

STA notes also mention that this version was illustrated by Kenneth MacLeay in his 1870 The Highlanders of Scotland.

[RockyR]

Rocky,

The first one could be Drummond. :-)

For those of you who don't know, Drummond and Grant Red are the same sett. Good catch, Matt!

[M. A. C. Newsome]

On second thought I think you are right, it might just be Grant. But it does look awfully close to New Bruce, as well.

[figheadair]

On second thought I think you are right, it might just be Grant. But it does look awfully close to New Bruce, as well.

Not sure if you're being tongue in cheek Matt? Wilsons' New Bruce is what is now called Drummond or Grant.

[figheadair]

First thing to say is that, as you allude to Matt, the original colours were blue, black and green i.e. the black has faded to mid-brown. The commonly happened to specimens from the late C19th to mid C20th that were chemically dyed.

The ITI No12 was definitely not in the 1819 and I'm dubious about the McLeay claim too. Some of the ITI records are transcribed from earlier STS ones. I don't note what the true origin of that sett is nor who the original source was.

So far as this double blanket is concerned this darker sett is a new one on me - one more for the Db. Structurally it's similar to a number of VS setts and whilst it did not appear in that work, one of those setts could have been the inspiration.

Peter

Rocky,

The first one could be Drummond. :-)

That second one looks like MacKay, except it has a double black line on the blue. Looking through STA records, it seems to be a variation of the 42nd sett (or Campbell) recorded as No. 12 in the ITI. The records site Wilsons of Bannockburn's 1819 Key Pattern Book as the source, but I can't find it mentioned in Peter MacDonald's The 1819 Key Pattern Book (Peter, are you reading this?)

STA notes also mention that this version was illustrated by Kenneth MacLeay in his 1870 The Highlanders of Scotland.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Not sure if you're being tongue in cheek Matt? Wilsons' New Bruce is what is now called Drummond or Grant.

Tongue firmly planted in cheek, rest assured. :-)

[M. A. C. Newsome]

The ITI No12 was definitely not in the 1819 and I'm dubious about the McLeay claim too. Some of the ITI records are transcribed from earlier STS ones. I don't note what the true origin of that sett is nor who the original source was.

So far as this double blanket is concerned this darker sett is a new one on me - one more for the Db. Structurally it's similar to a number of VS setts and whilst it did not appear in that work, one of those setts could have been the inspiration.

Peter

I've still got the old STS software loaded on our computer, and No. 12 is there as "Campbell, the 42nd" and the notes say it was illustrated in Kenneth MacLeay's Highlanders of Scotland in 1870. I don't find any mention of the 1819 KPB.

Browsing through the MacLeay portraits on the STA site, I find that the depiction of Colin Campbell shows a variation of the Campbell tartan that seems to be only a half sett (the portion with the double pair of black lines is omitted).


The proportions are off somewhat, but the basic design seems the same. So a variation of the Campbell sett, then?