Stewart of Fingask Vs Duke of Perth

[figheadair]

Some thoughts on this tartan, whether it ever actually existed and its connection with the (Duke of) Perth tartan - http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/Ste...or_Fiction.pdf

[Biathlonman]

S of F is worn by the Pipes and Drums of the 48th Highlanders of Canada. The regiment itself wears Davidson, after their first Colonel, who raised them in 1891. See the website at http://regimentalpipers.com/48pd/facts/tartans.htmlt

It is the only place I've ever seen that particular tartan (S&F) and I've no idea how they chose it. The website a bit coy on this.
Burnett's and Struth do their kilt and uniform work I believe.

Top notch pipe band by the way. I understand that they practice 6 days a week.

[figheadair]

Updated today following an interesting email from the Murray-Threipland family.

Bottom line: I don't believe that there was ever any such artefact.

[Scotus]

Yes, save for the stripe, the two are clearing almost the same. Now, This is true with several tartans. The Arbuthnott tartan, for example, is Black Watch, save for the addition of two white stripes in the sett (designed by Hon. Hugh Arbuthnott in 1962).

Do the Drummonds have their own tartan? Yes and no. The tartan normally associated with the clan is the same as Grant. The basic pattern appears to be from one called New Bruce. In 1819, Patrick Grant of Redcastle ordered 200 yards of this pattern, which was subsequently adopted by Clan Grant as one of their many tartans. Then, Clan Drummond adopted the pattern for themselves when they needed a tartan for the visit of King George IV in 1822. There is no such thing as a standardized pattern; therefore, historically there are variations of the tartan under both the Grant and Drummond names.

The tartan known as Drummond of Perth, referenced in this thread and the article you posted, is also the Perthshire tartan.

Now, don't let the tartan in the painting fool you. Many paintings of the Highland chiefs used tartans that were provided by the artist. For example, when Allan Ramsey painted the portrait of the 3rd Duke of Perth, he provided his own tartan. He seems to have used a Murray of Tullibardine tartan and changed colors for various chiefs. Therefore, the tartan in the portrait in the link you gave is probably not a Drummond tartan at all.


3rd Duke of Perth, wearing what is clearly not a Drummond tartan, but a variation on Murray of Tullibardine.

[figheadair]

The tartan known as Drummond of Perth, referenced in this thread and the article you posted, is also the Perthshire tartan.

This has only been called 'Perthshire' since c1980-90 and was as a result of someone wanting to make the 'Perth' tartan one for the whole area.

Now, don't let the tartan in the painting fool you. Many paintings of the Highland chiefs used tartans that were provided by the artist. For example, when Allan Ramsey painted the portrait of the 3rd Duke of Perth, he provided his own tartan. He seems to have used a Murray of Tullibardine tartan and changed colors for various chiefs. Therefore, the tartan in the portrait in the link you gave is probably not a Drummond tartan at all.

I never suggested that it was.

3rd Duke of Perth, wearing what is clearly not a Drummond tartan, but a variation on Murray of Tullibardine.

It's possible that the tartan in the portrait of the 3rd Duke of Perth is Tullibardine although it's not sufficienly detailed to allow one to say with any certainty. It's true that Ramsay used the Tullibardine on some of his other Highland portraits although in those he left the painting of the dress to another artist, Joseph Van Haecken.

[Scotus]

I never suggested that it was.

However, the Web site you posted did.