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16th March 11, 06:08 PM
#1
Which Clan?
For those people without a patrilineal affiliation with a clan, how have you chosen which clan with which to affiliate? I am particularly interested to hear from those of you who are actively involved with clan associations. When choosing "the closest" have you gone with closest to the patrilineal line (e.g. your g-g-g-g-grandmother, but married to the man with your surname) or closest to you genealogically (your mother's mother's father)? If you have several Scottish ancestors who all are equally close, how did you choose? Was it because of a close relationship to you personally or to one of your parents?
I am also interested to hear from those of you who live in Scotland to hear how clan affiliations work with the folks you know.
Thanks in advance for your time.
Kenneth Mansfield
NON OBLIVISCAR
My tartan quilt: Austin, Campbell, Hamilton, MacBean, MacFarlane, MacLean, MacRae, Robertson, Sinclair (and counting)
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16th March 11, 06:32 PM
#2
Drummer,
I have ties to several Scottish clans on both sides of my parents families as well as some Irish. As to which clans I feel the strongest association with? None in particular and all in general. I feel a much stronger association with my Scottish/Irish/Gaelic/Celtic heritage than with any particular clan, this heritage is known for strong independence, self reliance and innovative thinking, so that is where I feel pride. If you are asking this to see how people would choose a tartan for a kilt, then, I feel that a person's tartan choice should be really based on whether he/she likes a particular tartan/pattern in the cloth.
Just my penny's worth...
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16th March 11, 07:20 PM
#3
Joined this forum, liked it, bought the tartan, had a kilt made, bought the clan badge, share good times with great people.
CLAN XMARKS!!
Gentleman of Substance
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16th March 11, 11:11 PM
#4
As I have MANY Scottish Clans on both sides, and do not have a Scottish surname, I went with my father's side and with his mother's great-grandfather, Edward Duncan, and as Duncan is highly contested as a clan, I go with either Duncan or Robertson, (which some people say is the same thing) depending on who I'm talking to.
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16th March 11, 11:21 PM
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16th March 11, 11:51 PM
#6
I have several Scottish surnames in my background: McIntyre; Maitland; Kerr; Davidson; Gibb; Robeson; and possibly Person (MacPherson), to name the one's I'm researching now. I'm a member of the clan associations for MacIntyre, Buchanan (Gibb), and Davidson. McIntyre is my surname. I've been primarily interested in tracing my paternal line back to the old country, but my shortest route is through the Maitland line.
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17th March 11, 02:27 AM
#7
Generally speaking in Scotland, as you were asking, if your surname is for example, "MacOnion" then you wear that tartan. Other than that you wear ONE tartan that you or your ancestors have chosen and that is it. It would most certainly raise an eyebrow if you as a "MacOnion" were wearing a "MacCarrot" tartan without a very good reason, and there are a few of those. If you are a member of a Pipe Band is one, your regimental tartan is another.
As we are a relatively small and close knit community, particularly in the Highlands, any variation from the tartan you normally wear is noticed. I might add that moving from "ancient" colours to say "weathered" is also noticed,noted,but never commented on by anyone other than the closest of closest family. It would just be assumed that you had more money than sense.Just so you know, ostentation, giving a perception of wealth is best avoided in the Highlands and even wealthy Dukes, for example, are sensitive to this and the "bells and whistles" are kept for very special occasions.
As many of you have noticed, generally speaking we in Scotland do not have many kilts(each) and those we have are rarely of a different tartan.We really don't go in for all this deep and meaningful ancestry bit too justify which tartan we wear and no one will want and sit and listen to a two hour lecture on justifying your choice of tartan.We wear the tartan we do and that is readily accepted by all and we do not expect to change from it.Why should we? People do, incomers invariably, and I am afraid they get stuck with the poser label.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 17th March 11 at 02:54 AM.
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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17th March 11, 06:47 AM
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While Little is a legitimate Scottish clan in its own right, I've always identified my highland ancestry with the Mackenzies 1) because that is the closest connection genealogically-speaking [my paternal grandmother's maiden name was McKenzie; her father hailed from Scotland], and 2) because she was the one who instilled my interest in Scotland and my Scottish heritage when I was young. All very intuitive, I think.
As I've dug deeper into my genealogy I've of course found other Scottish connections, but mostly lowland families and Borderers. So, if I'm honoring my highland bloodline by wearing highland dress, then Mackenzie it is!
Last edited by Tim Little; 17th March 11 at 09:14 AM.
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17th March 11, 07:12 AM
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As a Pearson with little to go on other than Grandpa said we were Scots-Irish(Many have tried to trace our lineage, only to reach the same dead end in the early to mid 1800's),I have joined the clan MacPherson and feel as legit as I can get. On my mothers side is a James Mullikin from Scotland,so the blood is there, but no clan affiliation. O well, a direct lineage would be great, but I'll take what I can get.
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17th March 11, 07:31 AM
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My Mother was born in Scotland and told us we were of the Clan Buchanan (through the matrilineal line of Watt). My father was a Yorkshireman with an Irish surname.
But you didn't argue with my Mother. :-)
President, Clan Buchanan Society International
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