Non Jacobite non Presbyterian clans

[JonathanB]

Was there a clan that did not support the Jacobites and at the same time was predominantly episcopalian or catholic?

Do they have a nice tartan, and would they mind if I wore it?

[Profane James]

FWIW, I seem to remember a branch of Camerons and/or Campbells being Covenanter supporters at some point, while that would have meant they were probably not Catholic, it wouldn't necessarily mean 'Jacobite supporter'.

[plaid preacher]

FWIW, I seem to remember a branch of Camerons and/or Campbells being Covenanter supporters at some point, while that would have meant they were probably not Catholic, it wouldn't necessarily mean 'Jacobite supporter'.

The Covenanters were a strain of Presbyterianism, which opposed the introduction of an Anglican style prayer book and appointment of the clergy by Lords ( as opposed to being called by the congregation) by Charles I. Neil Oliver does an excellent job of describing the national covenant in his series on the History of Scotland.

[JonathanB]

The Campbells were both pro Hanoverian and Presbyterian. I would like to know a clan that was pro Hanoverian (or at least didn't support the Jacobites) and was not Presbyterian.

[Jock Scot]

An interesting question there and I am no expert , but as I understand it, certainly from the 1745 perspective, most Clans supporting the Jacobite cause had no specific religious connection and were a just mixture of whatever denominations happened to be about. In other words, just because the Chief may have been a RC, or whatever, did not mean that all his followers were of similar thinking. I seem to recall that there was a census taken from about that time(?) that demonstrates this.

[JonathanB]

On a thread about wearing the white cockade there was a table. I'll try and find it, but my recollections was that the Jacobites (or at least those fighting for them) were overwhelmingly episcopalian or Roman Catholic.

I'm wondering about the non Jacobites.

[Jock Scot]

On a thread about wearing the white cockade there was a table. I'll try and find it, but my recollections was that the Jacobites (or at least those fighting for them) were overwhelmingly episcopalian or Roman Catholic.

I'm wondering about the non Jacobites.

Well the MacLeods of Dunvegan might qualify. I am unsure of the then Chief's(MacLeod of MacLeod) religious beliefs, but I suspect he may have been RC? However he famously refused to join the Jacobite cause in 1745. I have no idea of the religious make up of the Clan MacLeod at that time, but my general understanding is there would be a mixture of denominations.

Do they have a nice tartan? Yes they do. MacLeod of Harris. I am biased though!

Would they mind if you wore it? Tricky that. Ask the Chief. If you were asking me, well personally speaking if you are not of the Clan then I would rather you didn't.

[Jock Scot]

On a thread about wearing the white cockade there was a table. I'll try and find it, but my recollections was that the Jacobites (or at least those fighting for them) were overwhelmingly episcopalian or Roman Catholic.

I'm wondering about the non Jacobites.

The thread that you may be looking for Jonathan, is in the "How To Accessorise Your Kilt" section, second page titled "White Cockade?", Post 42.

[plaid preacher]

I am attempting to recollect what I have read (and where I have read it) with regard to the Jacobite uprising, and I do recall finding that some of opined that the Jacobite uprising didn't following the sectarian split (Protestant vs Catholic) quite as neatly as has been suggested in the past. Certainly there was a strong correlation between the desire to have a Jacobite King on the throne - who would also be a Catholic. But there was also a certain strain of nationalistic fervor, that wanted a Scottish King and might over look his Roman Catholicism - especially since by that time Presbyterianism had become well-established in Lowland Scotland. But I do not thing it split nearly so neatly as you might like ... along clan lines.

[Profane James]

Adding to the Cambells story, quoted from Wikipedia:

"...However, the largest Highland clan, the Campbells, led by their chief, Archibald Campbell, 1st Marquess of Argyll, did side with the Covenanters. This meant that the Protestant Campbells' rivals in the violent world of clan politics, notably the MacDonalds, automatically took the opposing side. It should be said that some of these factors overlap: for instance the MacDonalds were Catholics, were sworn enemies of the Campbells, and had a strong Gaelic (Irish as well as Highland) identity..."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot...Three_Kingdoms