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  • 7th March 08, 11:15 AM
    Arlen
    The Regency period
    This is one that I'm having a problem with.
    When I get back to the states I am planning on having a Regency period house party. (A one day affair rather than a 10 week affair.)
    Now, I;d like to incorporate my kilt if I could, but I can't find any evidence of it outside of military wear, and even then I haven't found any illustrations of what kilted outfits might have looked like.

    Does any one out there have better luck with the search function or Google than I do?
  • 7th March 08, 11:41 AM
    BoldHighlander
    Arlen,
    I don't know if this will help or not, but here are two illustrations from the period.

    The first is scanned from the book Tartans by Hugh Cheape (sorry it's a wee bit crooked):
    http://www.geocities.com/ladiesfromh...gency-kilt.jpg

    The second is a painting of Mac Mhic Alasdair, Colonel Alasdair Ronaldson MacDonnell of Glengarry, painted by Sir Henry Raeburn in 1812. His dress is described as "the latest fashion of Regency coat, 'little kilt' and separately tailored plaid."
    http://www.geocities.com/ladiesfromh...garry_1812.jpg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdai...l_of_Glengarry

    I hope this helps :)
  • 7th March 08, 12:31 PM
    Farlander
    Arlen,

    In a recent thread I started:
    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/p...Who+Was+Prince
    folks posted tons of period pictures! Most of these were more Victorian, but they still might be a good place to look.

    My understanding is that the Regency period (being 1811 to 1820) is a bit before highland wear and culture started to get trendy again.
  • 7th March 08, 01:38 PM
    McClef
    It's probably not that easy a period to research Arlen, falling as it does between the ending of the tartan prohibition and the visit of the Regent, only once he was King.

    I would think that there is very little in kilting terms that can be termed Regency - it was an age when male fashions were set by people like Beau Brummel, not Beau McBrummel. :?
  • 7th March 08, 02:06 PM
    McFarkus
    The Prince Regent became George IV. Here's a picture of him in Highland dress in 1822 when he visited Scotland.

    http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_hi...22_george.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visit_o...IV_to_Scotland
  • 7th March 08, 04:19 PM
    Coemgen
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by McFarkus View Post
    The Prince Regent became George IV. Here's a picture of him in Highland dress in 1822 when he visited Scotland…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visit_o...IV_to_Scotland

    Would that be this one?:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...caricature.jpg

    :shock::faint:
  • 7th March 08, 04:29 PM
    Woodsheal
    Arlen,

    As a reenactor, I can tell you that a tartan cutaway coat of the period would cost you in excess of $300US! If you'd prefer to spend a lot less, here's an affordable waistcoat you can wear with your kilt:

    http://jas-townsend.com/product_info...roducts_id=470

    Do you have a box-pleated kilt? That would be most appropriate. DO wear diced or tartan hose! Buckle shoes would be great, too (if you don't mind shelling out another $80 or so. You can find some on that same website). One of Diane's "Hebridean" bonnets would be perfect, especially with a diced band...!
  • 7th March 08, 04:34 PM
    ccga3359
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BoldHighlander View Post
    Arlen,
    I don't know if this will help or not, but here are two illustrations from the period.

    The first is scanned from the book Tartans by Hugh Cheape (sorry it's a wee bit crooked):
    http://www.geocities.com/ladiesfromh...gency-kilt.jpg

    The second is a painting of Mac Mhic Alasdair, Colonel Alasdair Ronaldson MacDonnell of Glengarry, painted by Sir Henry Raeburn in 1812. His dress is described as "the latest fashion of Regency coat, 'little kilt' and separately tailored plaid."
    http://www.geocities.com/ladiesfromh...garry_1812.jpg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdai...l_of_Glengarry

    I hope this helps :)

    Love the all tartan look. Think I'll throw on my Maple Leaf kilt, shirt and tie. Wish I had've picked up the Maple Leaf hose that Chef found.
  • 7th March 08, 04:44 PM
    Sheep In Wolf's Clothing
    Find a copy of John Prebble's "The Kings Jaunt." It is about George IV and his relationship with Scotland. There are several plates inside with great paintings that might be able to help you with your costume and maybe a tone for your party.
    Have fun,
    Sara
  • 7th March 08, 07:49 PM
    MacMillan of Rathdown
    Sir Henry Raeburn's amazing portrait of Sir John Sinclair of Ulbster might be easier to reconstruct-- Ulbster is wearing trews (which he maintained was the more ancient form of highland dress) and a Napoleonic Wars period coatee with his sporran, plaid and broadsword. Quite impressive, and definitely within the Regency period.
  • 8th March 08, 12:44 AM
    Larry124
    Please forgive my observation sideways to topic.
    (A pet peeve of mine.)
    Note the good expanse of knee and leg showing in the paintings prior.

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...arry_1812B.jpg

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...by_WilkieB.jpg
  • 8th March 08, 03:58 AM
    BoldHighlander
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Larry124 View Post
    Please forgive my observation sideways to topic.
    (A pet peeve of mine.)
    Note the good expanse of knee and leg showing in the paintings prior.

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...arry_1812B.jpg

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...by_WilkieB.jpg

    Indeed.....it's been noted how the kilt has "grown" over time.
  • 8th March 08, 04:56 AM
    M. A. C. Newsome
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BoldHighlander View Post
    Indeed.....it's been noted how the kilt has "grown" over time.

    Actually, if you look closely you'll see that the kilt in both cases is sitting just above the knee, which is still the most common length today. It is the hose in these portraits that are lower than we typically wear them. These hose seem to end at the widest part of the calf, or just above. We tend to pull our hose all the way up to the bottom of the knee.

    M
  • 8th March 08, 05:00 AM
    M. A. C. Newsome
    Here are two kilts currently on display in our Scottish Tartans Museum that date from between 1800 and 1820. The first is in the MacDuff tartan:
    http://kilts.albanach.org/macduff.gif

    The second is in the Lochiel tartan (later Munro):
    http://kilts.albanach.org/locheil.gif

    Both are four yard box pleated kilts, pleated to no pattern. (Military kilts of this era were also four yard, box pleated, but pleated to the stripe).

    Pair a box pleated kilt like this with some of the accessories Woodsheal mentioned and you'll be good to go!

    M
  • 8th March 08, 05:20 AM
    BoldHighlander
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome View Post
    Actually, if you look closely you'll see that the kilt in both cases is sitting just above the knee, which is still the most common length today. It is the hose in these portraits that are lower than we typically wear them. These hose seem to end at the widest part of the calf, or just above. We tend to pull our hose all the way up to the bottom of the knee.

    M

    Indeed Matt, your correct.
    I guess what I meant is (a) how some of the early kilts were noted as being higher on the thigh than they are now, & (b) how they've "grown" to where some today wear them at nearly bottom of the knee :roll: (or lower :shock:)
    I should've been clearer...sorry. :oops:
  • 8th March 08, 09:01 AM
    Glen C
    Here are a couple of regency period pics, The first is "Honours of Scotland" procession during the George IV visit, and the second is a regency coatee in Murray of Atholl tartan. Hope this helps a little. Just a note also notice the hose height, like Matt said they are worn a little lower.

    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...sholm/reg1.jpg

    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...sholm/reg2.jpg
  • 8th March 08, 09:41 AM
    Nick the DSM
    It looks very uncomfortable to me, I dunno if I'd wear it.
  • 8th March 08, 09:46 AM
    Cynthia
    The paintings in this thread are WONDERFUL! I love how the garments all look together.
  • 9th March 08, 05:45 AM
    Arlen
    Thanks everyone. There have been really helpful.
    I'm thinking of having the whole party be something fun where everyone gets their period social rank and back story and everything.
    So it wouldn't be out of order for me to be from a Scottish kilted regiment.

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