Kilt Aprons.

[James]

There have been various posts on this subject, some suggesting that they merely covered the front of the kilt.

I think that I havementioned that there would have been all sorts of variations in use, something I still stand by.

However I'm reading a book about the 9th Glasgow Highland Bn [HLI] in WW1: and quite clearly they show pictures of the apron going right round the kilt-so the back as well as the front is covered.

James

[Kilted KT]

any way you can find a few pics showing such? I've necer seen a kilt apron go all the way around.

[cavscout]

just to clarify, I think James is refering to a "protective" apron that was sometimes worn over the kilt to keep it from being damaged while working or to camoflage it.

Sorry if that is understood.

[David Dalglish]

just to clarify, I think James is refering to a "protective" apron that was sometimes worn over the kilt to keep it from being damaged while working or to camoflage it.

Sorry if that is understood.

I agree, its an over kilt if you like, to stop the kilt from soiling when in trenches

[way2fractious]

There have been various posts on this subject, some suggesting that they merely covered the front of the kilt.

I think that I havementioned that there would have been all sorts of variations in use, something I still stand by.

However I'm reading a book about the 9th Glasgow Highland Bn [HLI] in WW1: and quite clearly they show pictures of the apron going right round the kilt-so the back as well as the front is covered.

James

Last year I got a simple front-only kilt apron (WWII repro) off eBay. Today there is on eBay an all-around apron (also a reproduction.) http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e7...Files/s185.jpg

Or, you could just make your own kilt out of unbleached canvas (similar to a UK.) http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e7...les/dr06-1.jpg

It's a lot simpler to have a knock-around kilt than to cover up all that wool with another layer to hold in the heat!

[macwilkin]

I believe that in the South African (Boer) War, the kilt aprons covered the front only, which made the tartan a target for Boer marksmen, so the "all-round" apron was introduced by the First World War.

I'm in Iowa at the moment, so I don't have access to my library obviously, but Mike Chappell's "Scottish Soldiers of the World Wars" does address the kilt apron. I'll check it when I get back next week.

Cheers,

Todd

[An t-Ileach]

Jerry Lee at What Price Glory does reproduction WWI British Army kilt aprons (based on a 1917 style) - he also offers Canadian ones.

I bought two (British Army style) off him to use as aprons in my workshop. As one would expect, the tops come up to the ribcage, and so there are three draw-strings, and there's a pocket in the front where the sporran would be (or where one would expect a pocket on an apron).

The apron is a complete wrap around affair, with a single side opening on the right. It is pleated at the back of the skirt, and flat at the front.

[James]

See 'Come On Highlanders'-by Alec Weir-published by Sutton.

The apron was for camouflage-it would not protect the kilt in a trench.

James

[An t-Ileach]

Here're some pictures of the British Army 1917 pattern Aprons Kilt Khaki Highlanders (reproduction)(that I bought from Maj Jerry Lee of What Price Glory) to illustrate the points that James is making.



It clearly goes all the way round, lacing up on the right side. The top of the apron is high up on the chest, and the bottom edge is roughly on a level with the selvage edge of the kilt. The front pocket (about where the sporran would be) isn't that clear on the photograph.



I would imagine that the soldiers would have sewn buttons onto the apron and "acquired" another set of braces (they would be wearing the issued set on the kilt proper). The khaki short coat would be worn over the top, and the webbing personal load carrying equipment would be on top of that.

My grandfather used to say that in the march up to Passchendaele they would be carrying nearly their own body-weight. When I was in the service we calculated that the WWI infantryman on the line of march would be carrying about 109 lbs: no wonder that if you fell off the duck boarding at Passchendaele, you drowned.

[James]

Touching on a soldiers load-well an infantry man of either WW1 or today-a lot of kit is needed just to survive, and often the immediate action is only a prelude to holding the ground hopefully won.

So thinking back to the fifties-yes I am that ancient!

Aside from the basic battle order-of pack, water bottle, ammunition pouches, and personal weapon-oh yes bayonet too.

There would be a pick or shovel, probably an extra bandolier of ammunition--possibly a couple, two HE grenades, maybe an incendiary bomb-: then just as you thought life was interesting enough-a couple of mortar bombs would be added. besides shared amongst the lads would be such fun things as 2"mortars and their bombs-boxes of bren magazines--too such things as radios and batteries, very pistols and cartridges--the list goes on and on.

An enormous weight, which has been picked upon by some as being unfair on the soldiers and not giving them a chance to get across no man's land. However without that weight-they would not have stood a chance when the counter attack came in-and that was German policy-an immediate counter attack.

Now after ninety years we have personnel carriers-helicopters and all sorts of ways of riding into action-so by now it stands to reason that the soldiers load must be a lot lighter--does any modern soldier believe that?

James