Undies under the Kilt

[Nervous Jock]

That looks a good bit of gear Turpin.....................the shirt of course

[Knocko]

For me, 'tis a medical decision. Even when wearing pants or trousers, I usually don't wear an undergarment. I have a problem with heat/moisture related conditions down there, and my doctor suggested going 'commando'. When he first saw me in my kilt, he asked, "Regimental, I hope?"

I wonder if I can get him to write a doctors note for me to wear a kilt full-time...?! That would be sweet! (Hooray for garment air-conditioning!)

[hallmarktex]

On the subject of accidentally "flashing" someone let me make this comment.

In the show I am presently doing I have the privilege of wearing a kilt. Being of Scottish descent I consider it a privilege and try to make it look right where the actor who alternates with me sees it as just a costume...but I digress.

The venue is a dinner theatre and I have turned and tripped over a guests outstretched feet on more than one occasion while performing and, once, fallen on my face in the middle of it all. As a result I take the precaution of wearing black spandex bike shorts under the kilt in case anything untoward should befall me. I certainly don't want to offend anyone.

The curious part is that after the show we take pictures with the audience and I will frequently kneel on one knee along side the ladies in their chairs while the photo is taken. I take care to position my other leg so that there aren't even any peeks up the kilt, but I still get the occasional worried look from a lady watching the picture taking who will say in the inevitable loud whisper "We can see under your kilt!" What I'm wearing is somewhat binding and certainly not revealing. This leads me to wonder, "What the heck do they think they see under there?" Surely this worried look is not from someone afraid that I've spoiled their illusion by giving them nothing to peek at.

This leads me to the conclusion that some peoples imaginations are more a problem than anything we may, or may not, wear under our kilts. Some people are looking for an offense to take and, I believe, are beyond my ability to please. So take precautions when prudence is due, otherwise just be comfortable and don't worry about the rare occurrence if someone should get a flash.

YMMV

Thoughts from the Heart of Midlothian...Texas, that is.

[majdan]

Having spent some time in hot environments (Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan) I am very familiar with the fact that the US Army recomends that men not wear scevies under their pants in these conditions to help prevent crotch rot. I have never found this to be comfortable as I suffer from chaffing if I have to do a lot of marching. I have found the same condition to be present with a kilt.

[McClef]

The PC world takes over, its such a shame, why should we adapt so because someone might find what we do offensive. We have the same rights as anyone else!!

I would agree that PC has gone rather crazy, even to the extent that the alleged potentially offended parties have stated themselves that they would not be offended. I haven't, however, seen anyone here state that what they choose for themselves should be adapted by all, they are simply giving their own reasons with which you have a perfect right to disagree.

Trefor:

My dear fellow, it's all a matter of perspective! I stand a short slice over six feet. My daughters stand, respectively, at about two feet and one meter (over a yard, but just by a bit). They can "see up" things I "look down" at.

And do your daughters ever say they notice anything the first place Jock? Two feet or one metre would both take their eyes above my knees (I am about the same height as your good self). I have kids wandering around when I go shopping and they never appear to have seen anything possibly offensive. If, as is believed, the vast majority of Scots are regimental, then surely there would be shock! horror! stories abounding all over the place if the bairns were being exposed to sights they shouldn't be.

Of course it's up to the individual's choice and it could well be a transatlantic cultural difference in what is deemed shocking, or rather potentially shocking, but I wonder if experience really bears outs potential predictions of disaster.

[Knocko]

Having spent some time in hot environments (Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan) I am very familiar with the fact that the US Army recomends that men not wear scevies under their pants in these conditions to help prevent crotch rot. I have never found this to be comfortable as I suffer from chaffing if I have to do a lot of marching. I have found the same condition to be present with a kilt.

I'm not sure where you are, but I use this stuff: http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...id=prod1313724

It works great. In the hot and humid Michigan summers. When kilted at Ren Faires and even in my modern kilt, this has become a necessary mainstay of what is carried in my sporran. I put it on before the kilt and maybe once during the day, if I'm outside for 8-10 hours. It works great, and I never have to worry about chaffing at all...

[furrycelt]

Also a lot of parents. Personally I think Americans are a very prudish people, and would wish that it were not so.

i totally agree. we have taken it to an extreme. if we would just lighten up about it, we wouldn't see sex being used to sell things and other similar vices would decline. it bothers me to see that in TV censorship, more effort is put into "protecting" kids from sexuality than from violence. notice how men here are falling all over themselves to state that they recommend underwear around kids. i won't agree or disagree with that, but i will say that with my kids (ages 1 and 5), i put priority on shielding them from violence than sexuality. for what it is worth: nudity/exposure does NOT equal sex.

...Somehow when Paris Hilton went . . . when she didn't wear her knickers it was titillating and daring. If it'd been Brad Pitt, say, it would have been gross, disgusting and probably an indication of some perversion.

yep a common unquestioned double-standard. because we have outdoor plumbing i guess. and because of what gets left behind after the feminism movement.

regardless of what we do wear under our kilts, there is a "myth" in our culture about kilted men wearing nothing under there. i think people are threatened by this. the idea that the general public could be so close to something so dangerous is just too much for some. more subconsciously it is the public's fear of unrestrained, unchecked masculinity. it starts early in life too (from Dr. Wm Pollack's research):

Karen decided to send her daughter, Alison, to an all-girls school, but kept her son in a coeducational environment. The reason, she explained, was that her daughter needed to learn that 'all roles in society are open to women.' Her son, on the other hand, needed to learn in the company of girls because they would help to make him more 'sensitive and polished.' She was saying, in other words, that the presence of boys might have a toxic effect on her daughter, while the girls could help mitigate the noxious disposition of her son.

it all ties together. women can wear pants or skirts or whatever. they have that freedom now. but men don't have that freedom. we are expected to wear pants, and only pants (read: bifurcated garment). why else do we kilted men get so many strange looks and attention. so in addition to muggles being made nervous by the fact that there is such easy access to our manhood, they already knew from a distance that we are not afraid to be different.

bottom line: wear what you think is best for you and your places to be.

for me it is medical same reason as Knocko, and comfort. and for the record i have yet to flash anyone accidentally.

[corbinj]

I always want to bring this up when discussing this topic, and I know I beat it to death, but. In Colorado the law is written in a way that leaves no room for error, If a child sees your winkie and the parents of said child takes offense, you will be listed as a sex offender. And depending on the age of the child you may go to jail upon conviction. I know its unfair and injust but thats the way it is. So whenever I'm in public I wear underwear, and when I'm home I don't have to wear anything at all.. (and I can defend myself by saying " what were you doing looking over my fence?") see ya

[Martin S]

...In Colorado the law is written ... If a child sees your winkie and ...

Incredible!
Do they really thinik that children grow up with no inkling about people's anatomies?


Martin

[Ayin McFye]

I'm not sure where you are, but I use this stuff: http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...id=prod1313724

It works great. In the hot and humid Michigan summers. When kilted at Ren Faires and even in my modern kilt, this has become a necessary mainstay of what is carried in my sporran. I put it on before the kilt and maybe once during the day, if I'm outside for 8-10 hours. It works great, and I never have to worry about chaffing at all...

Check out this previous thread about stuff like this. The general concenus i believe was to use body glide.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...ht=baby+powder