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    CELTIC logo? Your thoughts?

    Having now converted my wee store to kilts and Celtic wear, I find myself wishing for a logo that better represents the kilted, but still retaining a more inclusive thought for the men of today who wear the kilt around the world. What I am wrestling with is the issue of kilts in their entirety. Excuse the rambling, but they are so much more today than simply the Scottish tartan or even purely Celtic. So the temptation may be to use any of the several symbols such as the lion, the dragon, the harp or various knotted or other themes, but is this where Kilts are today? I guess this goes for the Celtic fonts or other types of symbolism. SO, I open this to the forum as you good people have been the source of our growth to date. Your thoughts?

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    Logos are subject to the whims of fashion. What looks smart today will, in all likelyhood, look horribly naff in a few years time. Since you will be branding your business as well as the products you sell, might I suggest a better alternative? Sue out a grant of arms. You may display your arms on your shop, on the products you sell, and anywhere else that is tastefully appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Logos are subject to the whims of fashion. What looks smart today will, in all likelyhood, look horribly naff in a few years time. Since you will be branding your business as well as the products you sell, might I suggest a better alternative? Sue out a grant of arms. You may display your arms on your shop, on the products you sell, and anywhere else that is tastefully appropriate.
    An excellent idea and something that never really goes out of style.

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    Correct me if I am wrong please, but it was my understanding that heraldic arms were for an individual and not a family. OR, are you saying a coat of arms for the business? For example, I have always loved the motto of the state of NC that appears on many coats of arms. Esse Quam Videri...especially applicable now, having worn the kilt! Next would come the rumination as to such whether arms would imply anything to the younger set? Some key elements of the WALKER arms, especially those from Newcastle on Tyne, have remained for many generations, but methinks you are referring to a new creation specifically for the business. That raises a whole new set of issues such as what armorial bearings would mean something specific in conveying the intent..quality service, kilts, Celtic, international, all ages, casual &traditional, et. al..

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    If you go to the American College of Heraldry (http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org/), they can help you design your arms. You might want to use Graywolfs ideas and put the various symbols in different quarters; a dragon, a harp, a lion rampant, and a thistle perhaps? Maybe use a saltire to quarter the shield, and that can either be the blue of Scotland or the red of St. Patrcik's flag.

    Just thinking on the screen here, but I think both MacMillan of Rathdoen and Graywolf have some good ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativeaccents View Post
    Having now converted my wee store to kilts and Celtic wear, I find myself wishing for a logo that better represents the kilted, but still retaining a more inclusive thought for the men of today who wear the kilt around the world. What I am wrestling with is the issue of kilts in their entirety. Excuse the rambling, but they are so much more today than simply the Scottish tartan or even purely Celtic. So the temptation may be to use any of the several symbols such as the lion, the dragon, the harp or various knotted or other themes, but is this where Kilts are today? I guess this goes for the Celtic fonts or other types of symbolism. SO, I open this to the forum as you good people have been the source of our growth to date. Your thoughts?
    I am partial to knot work designs, they are Celtic but not freighted with as many specific associations, as say the harp, or Welsh dragon.

    Best regards,

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    Okay,

    The object here is not a logo to make a statement soley. We need to make a statement and attract customers. My suggestion:

    Icorporate a welsh dragon, a celtic knot, and a shamrock - you've covered all the bases and not offended anyone. Design will be forthcoming

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    Willy from the Simpsons? A monkey?

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    P.S. I am suggesting arms for the business. Many businesses have grants of arms, so it would be your own trademark, and you could register it easily.
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    As far as arms are concerned, you have two options: personal arms or corporate arms. Personal arms may be used in conjunction with your business (look at the labels on French wines) but corporate arms may not be used, privately, by you.

    Arms may be devised by anyone, however only substantive arms may be recorded by valid heraldic authorities. At the present time only the following Offices of Arms grant or record substantive arms:

    UK: Court of the Lord Lyon (Scotland);
    UK: The College of Arms (UK except Scotland)
    IRELAND: Office of the Chief Herald of Ireland (the whole of the 36 counties)
    SPAIN: Cronista de Armas (Spain and the former Spanish posessions)
    CANADA: The Chief Herald of Canada (all of Canada)
    SOUTH AFRICA: South African Heraldic Authority (generally grants to persons resident in countries without a national heraldic authority)

    The self-styled "American College of Heraldry" has no official standing, nor are its "grants" recognized by any of the above heraldic offices.

    If you were selling t-shirts to girls 14 -25, then a logo like DKNY would probably have more resonance than a coat of arms. However, given the industry that you are in a coat of arms would probably have pretty much equal value with your potential customers.

    From a purely practical standpoint you probably shouldn't try to incorporate too many items in the over-all design of either a logo or a shield of arms as they become indistinct and hard to "read" when they are reduced in size. Remember, the design has to be clearly seen whether on a twelve foot sign above your store or on a four inch business card.

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