Can you identify these two tartans?

[meinfs]

Hello. I need your help identifying these two tartans. I got them from Jo-Ann's today. It's very lightweight material. What's the lightest weight fabric that can reasonably be used to make a kilt? I may need to use lining (judiciously) on the aprons to give it more structure and thickness. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for any help.



The blue/brown/tan plaid on the right may not even be a tartan (because the pattern seems not to repeat in both directions). (?) But it is pretty.

[ardchoille]

I can't seem to find the first tartan but it looks like a variation on Stewart Dress. And I'd hazard a guess that the second isn't a tartan, or if it is, then it's one of those unique tartans in which the warp and weft aren't identical. Matt would likely know.

As far as weights go, 11 ounce weight i usually used for dancer kilts and casual kilts. 13 ounce and 16 ounce weights are usually used for custom kilts. It has been my experience that many kiltmakers who specialize in custom kilts won't accept anything below 13 ounce kilting cloth.

[Daibhidh O'Baoighill]

I second that. The tartan on the left is extremely close to the Stewart sett and I would venture to say it could pass for the Stewart Black in an ancient or weathered. Just my 2 cents.

[meinfs]

I can't seem to find the first tartan but it looks like a variation on Stewart Dress. And I'd hazard a guess that the second isn't a tartan, or if it is, then it's one of those unique tartans in which the warp and weft aren't identical. Matt would likely know.
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Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Looking up Stewart (gosh, dozens of them), the closest I can fit it to is "Stewart Grey." The picture I posted may not show it, but it is mostly grey and red. The yellow, white and black stripes are dead-on. The rest are also on except for the green stripe replacing the purple in the Stewart Grey tartan as shown on Scotweb. I'm getting educated in tartans, albeit slowly. Thanks again guys.

Now, the second I hope to at least find a close match, so when somebody asks me what it is, I can say it's derived from such and such tartan. :-)

[sharpdressedscot]

The first one on the left, looks like a really faded black Stewart, and I'm not quite sure about the other one.

[Ranald]

I agree, the first tartan looks like Grey Stewart, the second , well I dunno, but it does look bonnie.
Be carefull not to go too light weight. Some years ago I made a box pleated kilt with Grey Stewart and it was very light weight and it was a terrible kilt, go for knife pleats in the traditional way.
Best of luck, but your kilts look good anyway.

[ChattanCat]

What's the lightest weight fabric that can reasonably be used to make a kilt? I may need to use lining (judiciously) on the aprons to give it more structure and thickness. We'll see how it goes.

Hi,
It really depends on what you plan to do with the kilt. Are you looking to make the kilt? Where are you planning to wear the kilt?

Kilts can be made from 10 oz/yard up to 22 oz/yard (60" wide piece of cloth, 1 yard long). If you want a light weight kilt, I would use 10 oz/yard material as a minimum. Most PV kilts are made with 10-11 oz/yard material, machine washable. Traditional knife pleated kilts are usually made from 13-16 oz/yard worsted wool material.

Wallace

[attworth]

Those look great for a few practice kilts. Next you should try worsted wool kilting cloth. If that fabric is anything like the stuff I bought, it has a horribly ugly, although useable selvedge.

[sydnie7]

Yes, not only is the selvedge ugly but the sett doesn't end at the same point on each selvedge. I'll still work it up -- someday down the line -- but will have to trim one edge before hemming the whole length. Probably pleat it to the "no stripe" so it's mostly grey across the back, with red showing in the swish.

[HeathBar]

Both are likley fashion tartans and have no name. They are also asymetrical, which means extra work if you plan to use both sides of double width material. But if you bought enough material to use one side for the kilt, you'll be ok. I would use the material for a casual style kilt with 4-5 yds. Good luck!