Equivalent to a tux

[WClarkB]

This has probably been answered and I was unable to find it; for this I apologize in advance.

On the semi-annual need to wear a tux, I want to know what combination(s) of jackets(s) vest etc and kilt are equivalent to black-tie?

As HRH has not seen fit to make me a knight to date, I dinna think I will ever need the "white-tie" formal equivalent which I take to be a PC, vest, fly, trad. kilt etc.


Thanks

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

This has probably been answered and I was unable to find it; for this I apologize in advance.

On the semi-annual need to wear a tux, I want to know what combination(s) of jackets(s) vest etc and kilt are equivalent to black-tie?

As HRH has not seen fit to make me a knight to date, I dinna think I will ever need the "white-tie" formal equivalent which I take to be a PC, vest, fly, trad. kilt etc.


Thanks

Your best all around choice is a black Agryll jacket with two waistcoats: one three button (as worn with a PC) and the other a five button (as worn with a day wear jacket). This combination will allow you to attend both evening and black tie functions without having to invest in a second jacket.

For evening wear the Argyll, five button waistcoat, white shirt and tie are the equivalent of a dark suit. For black tie events the Argyll, three button waistcoat formal shirt and black bow tie are the equivalent of a tuxedo. While you can dispense with the waistcoat for evening or formal wear in favour of a dirk belt, the waistcoat really does add to the formal look-- something the Highlanders of old would have appreciated.

The other advantage of the Argyll is that it never shows any gap between kilt and jacket-- something that is an unfortunate (and unintended) consequence of wearing a Prince Charlie coatee that doesn't properly fit.

As to the other matter, if you follow my advice I will have a word in the right quarters regarding the status of your "k".

[Panache]

This thread could possibly be of use to you in figuring out your formal look

Both pictures #8 and #9 are black tie, while #10 is white tie

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/1...888/index.html

Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

[JSFMACLJR]

The Regulation doublet can be worn with either a black or white bow-tie and vest, depending on the formality of the occassion.

It may also be worn with a jabot.

[starbkjrus]

You may have noticed around here a preference against the PC, which smacks a little of the RentAll shop, and probably a similar inclination against the fly plaid, for various other good reasons.

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Umm no, there is not a preference against the PC here it's just that in North America its worn WAY too often in the wrong circumstance. It's formal wear for evening and not THE most formal at that. All too often you see the PC worn when an Argyle or Braemar would be much more appropriate. For instance: A two o'clock PM wedding with the wedding party in PC's is highly wrong. An Argyle is much more versatile. See Rathdown's post above.

[Jock Scot]

Umm no, there is not a preference against the PC here it's just that in North America its worn WAY too often in the wrong circumstance. It's formal wear for evening and not THE most formal at that. All too often you see the PC worn when an Argyle or Braemar would be much more appropriate. For instance: A two o'clock PM wedding with the wedding party in PC's is highly wrong. An Argyle is much more versatile. See Rathdown's post above.

Absolutely! Well said.

[thescot]

It may also be worn with a jabot.

Ahhhhhhhhh! :butt::buttkick:

He's joking. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never wear a jabot over a white shirt! Did I say don't do it? Well, don't ever do it. You'll look like Sean Connnery did in the famous photo that is something of a study in what NOT to wear.

Only wear a jabot with a jacket that mounts all the way to the chin and covers the chest, like a Montrose doublet.

With a regulation doublet, you wear a white waist coat and a bow tie!

There, I think I'll be OK now. The nurse brought my meds.

[JSFMACLJR]

Ahhhhhhhhh! :butt::buttkick:

He's joking. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never wear a jabot over a white shirt! Did I say don't do it? Well, don't ever do it. You'll look like Sean Connnery did in the famous photo that is something of a study in what NOT to wear.

Only wear a jabot with a jacket that mounts all the way to the chin and covers the chest, like a Montrose doublet.

With a regulation doublet, you wear a white waist coat and a bow tie!

There, I think I'll be OK now. The nurse brought my meds.

Well, I disagree with you, old chap. I see nothinh wrong with wearing a jabot with a white shirt. I certainly wouldn't wear one without a waistcoat, but I can assure you that a jabot can be worn--and frequently is-- with open doublets to excellent effect. Sorry.

[thescot]

Well, I disagree with you, old chap. I see nothinh wrong with wearing a jabot with a white shirt. I certainly wouldn't wear one without a waistcoat, but I can assure you that a jabot can be worn--and frequently is-- with open doublets to excellent effect. Sorry.

Never, never, never, never, never, never, never wear a jabot over a white shirt!

[WClarkB]

For black tie events the Argyll, three button waistcoat formal shirt and black bow tie are the equivalent of a tuxedo. While you can dispense with the waistcoat for evening or formal wear in favour of a dirk belt, the waistcoat really does add to the formal look-- something the Highlanders of old would have appreciated.

OR

The Highland equivalent to the "Tuxedo" dinner jacket is what is called the Prince Charlie coatee, which is made similar to an ordinary tailcoat, but the tails are cut shorter, and are embellished with scalloped flaps as are the cuffs on each sleeve. The less formal Argyll jacket, which is often sold in black is more the equivalent of morning dress, since it does not have satin lapels, is worn with an ordinary necktie, and can be worn for business, or dressy social functions where black-tie is not required.

I am still in a quandry (btw the pics on the thread that Panache did for tis specific subject and that I failed to re-find when I wanted them, are gone); he came down on the side of the PC)