Ruche Cravat with Prince Charlie Outfit

**Jimmy** · 23rd July 10, 06:20 AM

Next weekend I'm attending the wedding of my niece and obviously I will be kilted.
Although I have the full formal outfit, I was thinking of wearing a ruche cravat instead of a bow tie.
Does the Prince Charlie outfit (Hunting Stewart tartan) go with the cravat and what colour of hose would be best?
Is a waistcoat desirable or not with a cravat?

**auld argonian** · 23rd July 10, 06:35 AM

Ah...the ruche tie/cravat...second only to white kilt hose in terms of bringing out the opinionated side of Xmarksers everywhere!

Best

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**Jock Scot** · 23rd July 10, 06:36 AM

Please don't take this the wrong way Jimmy, but are you really wanting to wear a PC to a wedding? It is your choice of course and personally I am not a fan of ruche ties under any circumstance, but that's my slant on things. Hose colour? Any colour other than white. Have fun!

**artificer** · 23rd July 10, 06:44 AM

Helmets on, Gents.

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Originally Posted by Jock Scot

...and personally I am not a fan of ruche ties under any circumstance, but that's my slant on things. Hose colour? Any colour other than white. Have fun!

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Bow tie or straight tie (depending on jacket/time of day and formality of the wedding). With a ruche tie you'll end up looking like you've rented your whole outfit (ESPECIALLY if worn with white hose).

**Jimmy** · 23rd July 10, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Please don't take this the wrong way Jimmy, but are you really wanting to wear a PC to a wedding? It is your choice of course and personally I am not a fan of ruche ties under any circumstance, but that's my slant on things. Hose colour? Any colour other than white. Have fun!

whats wrong with wearing a PC at a wedding, I thought this was more suited to a formal occasion such as a wedding particularly in the setting of Glasgow University.
Also everyone seems to be against white hose, why?

**Lyle1** · 23rd July 10, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jimmy

whats wrong with wearing a PC at a wedding, I thought this was more suited to a formal occasion such as a wedding particularly in the setting of Glasgow University.
Also everyone seems to be against white hose, why?

Yes, you are correct, but only if the wedding is formal. Will other guests be wearing black tie?

**Jimmy** · 23rd July 10, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lyle1

Yes, you are correct, but only if the wedding is formal. Will other guests be wearing black tie?

All guests will be formally dressed in various fashions

**Jock Scot** · 23rd July 10, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Jimmy

whats wrong with wearing a PC at a wedding, I thought this was more suited to a formal occasion such as a wedding particularly in the setting of Glasgow University.
Also everyone seems to be against white hose, why?

OK Jimmy fair questions and you and many others may not agree with my answers, but for what it is worth, here goes!

As far as I am aware there are no evening weddings in the UK so the PC(evening wear) should not really be worn to a daytime wedding(would you wear a dinner suit,tux, to a daytime wedding?). It also smacks of hire company misinformation of how it really ought to be done and their one outfit fits all mindset and frankly it is wrong. They (hire companies) are actually taking money for incorrect advice and they get away with it!

White hose do not , to my eyes, set the kilt off to best advantage and that is for me the most important issue. The far less important matter is again, that they are standard issue for hire company outfits.

I know you and others might think that I am an outdated fuddy duddy who really ought to just fade away(that is being polite, perhaps!), but the kilt is Scotland's, yours, national attire and how can we expect the rest of the world to give the kilt the justice it deserves if we , the Scots, can't get it right.

Have fun at the wedding, but whilst you are there, spend a few minutes looking at what people are wearing with the kilt and how they are wearing it and you will see that some things look right and some things don't. What you decide is right is entirely down to you. Have fun!

**CMcG** · 23rd July 10, 08:16 AM

IF you should choose to ignore the excellent advice already given and wear a ruche tie, at least try to get a self-tied one. That will allow you to modulate the "over-scrunchiness" that mars the pre-tied ones.

Also, a ruche is the wrong length to go with the short, 3 button waistcoat normally worn with a PC. A cravat looks rather better tucked into a 5 button waistcoat, which leads you to a black Argyll jacket. As far as why one wears a 3 button waistcoat with a PC and a 5 button waistcoat with an Argyll, I believe it has to do with the length of the lapels on the jacket.

The versatile Argyll and 5 button waistcoat (with the dreaded ruche or a standard four-in-hand) would probably be a better choice for an event that starts during the day and extends into the evening anyway...

**fluter** · 23rd July 10, 07:51 PM

This is it n a nutshell (ditto for Cygnus' succinct account):

Originally Posted by CMcG

Also, a ruche is the wrong length to go with the short, 3 button waistcoat normally worn with a PC. A cravat looks rather better tucked into a 5 button waistcoat, which leads you to a black Argyll jacket. As far as why one wears a 3 button waistcoat with a PC and a 5 button waistcoat with an Argyll, I believe it has to do with the length of the lapels on the jacket.

Just so! Recently I've seen some PC's marketed with the 5-button vest, and photographed with the ruche tie. It just does not look right, to my admittedly foreign-born eye. On the reverse side of the coin, though, the Argyll has been worn successfully with the 3-button PC-style vest, for evening bow-tie usage.

The versatile Argyll and 5 button waistcoat (with the dreaded ruche or a standard four-in-hand) would probably be a better choice for an event that starts during the day and extends into the evening anyway...

or, indeed, with a black bow tie, or a colored bow tie. The black Argyll can do it all.