Help identify this clan crest

[Eck]

Saw this crest on ebay. The motto is 'Air muir's air tir' which I believe is the gaelic version of the latin 'Per mare per terras' which is generally accepted as one of the clan macdonald mottos'.
I know the new Keppoch chief uses the gaelic version but the centre piece arm brandishing a sword has me stumped for any possible MacDonald connection other than it is similar to Clanranald.
Anyone any suggestions?

[creagdhubh]

I'm going to say a variation of Clan Macdonald of Clanranald perhaps? Hmmm...

[Chas]

I don't agree, Kyle.

The crest of Macdonald of Clanranald is -

A triple-towered castle Argent masoned Sable, and issuing from the centre tower a dexter arm in armour embowed grasping a sword all Proper.

And the motto -

MY HOPE IS CONSTANT IN THEE

There are too many differences for this to be the same or even a variation.

Regards

Chas

[creagdhubh]

I don't agree, Kyle.

The crest of Macdonald of Clanranald is -

A triple-towered castle Argent masoned Sable, and issuing from the centre tower a dexter arm in armour embowed grasping a sword all Proper.

And the motto -

MY HOPE IS CONSTANT IN THEE

There are too many differences for this to be the same or even a variation.

Regards

Chas

Quite right, Chas. I was purely going off of the 'top of my head,' and didn't refer to any particular source whatsoever. I was simply taking a 'wild guess' I suppose!

What crest do you think it is? This is obviously an Art Pewter Scotland-made badge, so it should be easy to identify.

[ctbuchanan]

RANALD ALASDAIR MACDONALD OF KEPPOCH

http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...d/keppoch.html

[Highland Logan]

RANALD ALASDAIR MACDONALD OF KEPPOCH

http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...d/keppoch.html

Nice try. Correct motto, wrong crest. The motto points to a Clanranold origin, but Keppoch is incorrect.

Frank

[Chas]

@ CT - Well, the Grant gives the crest thus -

and on a Wreath of the Liveries is set for Crest an eagle displayed Gules crowned of a ducal coronet Or, and in an Escrol over the same this Motto “AIR MUIR ’S TIR” and in another Escrol below the same this Motto “DIA ’S NAOMH AINDREA”;

Notice that both the crest and the motto are substantially different.

@ Kyle - frankly, I don't know. It is easier to say what it is not rather than what it is.
I get this feeling that it might be one of the newer clans that has been armigerous, but has now found a chief.

Regards

Chas

[CarolinaTartan]

RANALD ALASDAIR MACDONALD OF KEPPOCH

Right motto. Wrong crest.

[Eck]

I don't think it's Ranald Alasdair MacDonald of Keppoch.
This is the chief's chosen clan crest/badge and can only be sourced through the chief directly:-

[Cygnus]

A dexter arm in armour embowed and grasping a sword is a surprisingly common crest (I believe it is associated with the Wallaces, MacDonald of Clanranald, and the Dewars, among others). If I remember correctly, it wasn't all that uncommon for armigers, especially those of higher station, to wear their crest in a strap and buckle rather than the circlet.

For these reasons, I think you may have a hard time finding the bearer of this crest - especially if he was an individual armiger and not the head of a clan or family.

That's not to say you should stop looking, though!