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    Good day to all!

    Hello, X Markers.

    I have been considering the purchase of a kilt for a long time now. I have also discussed this theme in another forum (nothing to do with kilts) of which I have been a member for some time now.

    For years I've been considering the purchase of a kilt. I find the garment apealing, elegant and utterly different from anything we are used to see out there in the streets. However, I do not intend to wear a kilt very often. Perhaps when hiking about in the countryside or in some event where a great dose of excentricity might be allowed.

    Let me explain why I said "excentricity". The fact is simple: I am not Scotish or, by any means, of Scotish extraction. I have no connection whatever with Scotland (except for a great deal of respect and a true love for all the British cultures). I cannot claim a single drop of blood that might have come from any part of the British Isles. I am Portuguese. The only Celt I may claim is the same that any other Portuguese man can claim... the Celts had settled in the Iberian Peninsula before the Romans did and left their contribution to genetic pool of the modern Portuguese.

    But, no matter how hard I struggle, I cannot claim any Celtic origin in me.
    Normaly that should put me off kilts. But it does not and I really want to have and wear a kilt. It wouldn't surprise anyone who knows me - it would just be another bit of cultural excentricity to add to the tweeds, the pipe and the English language that I love so much...

    Having finished this small introduction, let me ask some questions.

    As I understand, this forum is frequented by Scots, Americans, Canadians and other nationalities. However, all are - in general and culturaly speaking - of anglo-saxonic extractions with a varying degree of celtic sprinkling. Am I right? If so, you are - as it were - allowed or entitled to wear a kilt because of the cultural connecton to the Celts via your origin. I, being Portuguese, do not have such a connection.

    That being said, would you object to my wearing of a kilt? I mean... am I right to assume that I am not culturaly entitled to wear a kilt? (Because I am very much willing to break that unspoken rule...)

    If I were to wear a kilt, given my cultural background, which tartan might I wear (given that I have no clan connection, no British military connection and no connection to the Crown, meaning that I cannot wear the tartan of the chieftain)?

    I suppose that, given that Portugal and Britain have been military allies since the 12th Century - longest military alliance ever and never marked by any sort of interegnum - I might be allowed to wear a Black Watch tartan. I could justify that if asked... Plus, the Black Watch is sort of the "default" tartan.

    What do you think? Thank you!

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    Re: Good day to all!

    1st - Welcome (from New Hampshire)
    2nd - Anyone and everyone is "entitled" to wear the kilt.
    My only suggestion is that you know something about the tartan you pick.
    3rd - ctbuchanan can find a celtic link to anyone

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    Re: Good day to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by gpmeakin View Post
    1st - 3rd - ctbuchanan can find a celtic link to anyone
    lol quite
    Friends stay in touch on FB simon Taylor-dando
    Best regards
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    Re: Good day to all!

    Hello and welcome to the forum. My understanding is that this forum is open to anyone repeat anyone who likes and respects the kilt whatever their background. There is no prerequisite to be Scottish, Celtic or any other background. Therefore you are more than welcome to wear whatever kilt you may choose to wear. There are no rules apart from respect for the tartan that you are wearing. Indeed there are many other types of kilt that you can wear without wearing a tartan if you so desire. Wear what you want and wear it with pride. It is respectful if you choose a particular tartan to learn a little about the heritage so that you can explain to non kilt wearers why you have chosen that particular option but other than one or two notable exceptions such as the Balmoral tartan you can do whatever you please.
    Congratulations on taking the first step in joining this forum and look forward to many posts from you as you journey through the process of acquiring the Kilt and all the many and varied accessories that you can spend your hard earned escudos (euros) on.
    Friends stay in touch on FB simon Taylor-dando
    Best regards
    Simon

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    Re: Good day to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
    Congratulations on taking the first step in joining this forum and look forward to many posts from you as you journey through the process of acquiring the Kilt and all the many and varied accessories that you can spend your hard earned escudos (euros) on.
    Thanks for that! It is nice to see that there are people that still remember the good old "Escudo" currency!

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    Re: Good day to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by fpessanha View Post
    Thanks for that! It is nice to see that there are people that still remember the good old "Escudo" currency!
    best: Bell's Escudo
    Quote Originally Posted by Pleater View Post
    Weeelll - once I was walking along the row of shops near us and passed a young couple, she was wearing a narrow strip of denim for a skirt and a couple of handkerchieves worth of fabric for a blouse and it was losing the fight to stay closed - I was almost out of earshot when he enquired 'why doesn't your skirt move like that?' Anne the Pleater

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    Re: Good day to all!

    welcome from Germany. No celtic connection here as well.
    Set aside, that in the regions I lived and live now were in the middle of celtic settling in the Bronze ages.

    What's eccentric about pipes, my dear fellow pipester?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pleater View Post
    Weeelll - once I was walking along the row of shops near us and passed a young couple, she was wearing a narrow strip of denim for a skirt and a couple of handkerchieves worth of fabric for a blouse and it was losing the fight to stay closed - I was almost out of earshot when he enquired 'why doesn't your skirt move like that?' Anne the Pleater

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    Re: Good day to all!

    Thank you.
    I understand that there are no "rules" regarding the wearing of a kilt and that there is no real entitlement to the wearing of a kilt. One should know the tartan and be respectfull. And one should stay clear of the exceptional tartans like the Balmoral (that has a very powerful symbolic weight and is privy to the Royal Family) - which is a shame because it is one of the most aestheticaly appealing tartans I know. Maybe I could marry into the family? That's a thought... SWMBO would not like that, but needs must!...
    However, there is this lingering idea that at least some sort of Celt connection is necessary. But again, I do not intend to wear a kilt in public, so to speak, therefore there wouldn't be much need for lengthy explanations. It would be for private occasions such as hiking about in the highlands of my family's properties - my very own Balmoral Castle!
    That being said, I would like to stay clear of family tartans. I have much respect for the symbolic representative nature of the tartan - and I wouldn't like seeing some one wearing my family crest, so, I'll stay away from the family tartans.
    What would you suggest in terms of tartan?

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    Re: Good day to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by fpessanha View Post
    I understand that there are no "rules" regarding the wearing of a kilt ...
    Actually, you're going to learn a lot of rules about kilt wearing on this wonderful forum; the folded parts (pleats) go in the back,etc...

    And a lot of good common sense; Know the tartan you are sporting, etc...


    Quote Originally Posted by fpessanha View Post
    What would you suggest in terms of tartan?
    Pretty much anything universal, district, commercial...
    If you really like a clan tartan, you could do like I do and write to the clan and ask permission to wear it.

    And before you ask .... there are no rules about what to or not wear under your kilt. But common sense is pretty handy in this case....

    Enjoy the kilt but be aware that it'll cost you a lot of money and time....
    You'll find out really fast that you will need a lot of accessories and then you will surf the net for bargains of said accessories....

    But once you're there and out and about in a kilt, you will probably get free beer, free scotch, a lot of attention....

    Have fun and welcome to XMTS

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    Re: Good day to all!

    from South Wales UK!
    [B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.

    Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
    (Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

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