A Christian-Themed Tartan?

[mookien]

Some of you have no doubt seen the "Christmas" tartan newly registered on the SRT at ...

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tar...aspx?ref=10554

This would appear to be "Christian themed" and thus very similar, if not identical, to what biblemonkey was proposing in an earlier thread, ie ...

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-70920/

It also would appear to lay to rest some of the concerns some folks raised about the viability and approval of such a tartan.

If anyone in the future resurrects (pun intended) an effort like that of biblemonkey's, I will be happy to join in.

[AFS1970]

It is a somewhat interesting tartan, however it looks a bit like a tablecloth I could find at Target more than something I would wear a kilt in. I like that the designer tried to find biblical meanings for the colors, but I am a bit skeptical about assigning red and green, traditionally the colors of the berries and leaves of the holly tree to frankincense and myrrh. The only time I ever saw real frankincense it was a kind of yellowish brown color.

Now I remember from various threads on here that there really are no standard color codes for tartans so a color can mean whatever you want it to mean. However if I said the green was for grass or the forest, most people would at least know what I meant. If I told them green was for the sky, they would look at me as if I had gone daft.

[opositive]

st patrick or holyrood? if you want to be red, then royal stewart. next christmas for mass, i might go with dress gordan if i do not have st patrick yet. my wife and i went to friends' house with me wearing mckenzie this past year.

[McClef]

Restrictions: Yes.
Only Tartans 4 Africa in South Africa may weave this tartan.
No person or company may reproduce this tartan.

Nuff said.

[Ina Murison-McGowan]

McClef,
Sir,
Anyone can wear it though.
Our tartans are very affordable and for this one we decided to do it in Poly-Viscose so it can be used for table cloths, runners, etc.
I never intended this tartan to be used for kilts but as it is we are inundated with requests for the making of kilts.
Ina

[OC Richard]

the "Christmas" tartan newly registered on the SRT

This would appear to be "Christian themed" and thus very similar, if not identical, to what biblemonkey was proposing in an earlier thread

To me, a "Christmas tartan" and a "Christian tartan" are two very different ideas.

Christmas is a holiday, and a holiday season, which is celebrated by most people, Christians and agnostics and many others alike. The colours of the Christmas season have come to be red and green (at least here in the USA).

Christians are a body of people with a shared belief system. Christian colours, at least traditional Christian liturgical colours, are green, purple, and white. And the rose of gaudete Sunday, and the blue used by some denominations during Advent, might well be included.

I think Isle of Skye makes an admirable Christian kilt due to its liturgical colouring, and I'll wear mine while piping at a church service tomorrow.

[piperdbh]

But, Richard, not all of us are of the liturgical bent. I know many churches (in fact most of the churches I know) who have no knowledge of or use for liturgical colors, vestments, or even the seasons. Trying to design a tartan to "unite" the whole Church universal ain't gonna happen, although there's no reason why anyone can't try.

About the red and green:
I'm all for gaudy, tacky red and green decorations at home, in businesses, schools, or wherever, but, in liturgical churches use, one or the other are employed at a time, and neither of them are Christmas colors. I personally really like a church done up in Christmas white (with a little gold thrown in). To me it looks more majestic than red and green. Almost like it was planned that way, huh?

[OC Richard]

most of the churches I know have no knowledge of or use for liturgical colors, vestments, or even the seasons.

Perhaps, but this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_colours

indicates that pretty much the same colours are recognised by such churches as the Catholic, Methodist, many Lutheran, many Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Churches of Christ.

(Note that the SIZE of the colour bar doesn't reflect the percentage of the year that it's used... green for Ordinary Time is used the most days.)

Now what percentage of the US population is familiar with these colours? Let's look at some numbers:

Percentage of US Population 2001
Catholic 24.5%
Baptist 16.5
Methodist 6.8
Lutheran 4.6
Presb 2.7
Pentecostal/Charismatic/Foursquare 2.1
Episcopal/Anglican 1.7
LDS 1.3
Churches of Christ 1.2

the rest being less than 1%.

So with my handy-dandy calculator I can guess than around 40% of the total US population is affiliated with churches which use liturgical colours, usually the same as or roughly similar to those used by the Roman church, easily twice as many Americans as are affiliated with churches that don't.

By the way, I play at a local Presbyterian church every year, at a service at which all the trappings of the church, including the stole of the minister, are ceremoniously changed from green to purple, and the Advent Wreath is lighted. The Catholic church I attend does nothing of the sort; colours are changed without ceremony or comment.

[Father Bill]

+ 1 !

[auld argonian]

Guys, this thread keeps popping up over and over. If you want a Christian Tartan, somebody design one and you all can bung in to have it woven at Dalgliesh and get your kilts made. Stop trying to re-purpose some other tartan and just do it. I'm amazed that the HP Lovecraft crowd can get that Cthulu tartan done up and they're all showing photos of the finished kilts already and you lot are still kickin' the tires and going on about this.

How shall we say this...eliminate or remove yourself from the porcelain facility...eh?

Best

AA