Souvenir Title Plots, Fake Titles, Laird, Lord and Lady

**cessna152towser** · 21st April 12, 09:45 AM

This new guidance on those souvenir title plots, issued by the Scottish Land Register in the latest issue of the Journal of the Law Society of Scotland may be of interest to some of our Members.
In short, title to small souvenir plots cannot be registered in the Land Register, and without registration the buyer has no real rights which would be enforceable in law.
The titles Lord and Lady within Scotland apply only to peers.
The Laird is a description more usually applied to the PRINCIPAL landowner in the area.
Ownership of a souvenir plot is not going to assist you in obtaining a Grant of Arms from the Lord Lyon.
We have at least three Lairds of Lochaber and one Lady of Lochaber among our Members.
These souvenir title plots are worth no more than you pay for them and do not give you any legally enforceable rights.
Calling yourself Lord, Lady or Laird while here in Scotland is inappropriate but if you want to use the title elsewhere in the world or on the internet by all means please continue to do so, it is all harmless fun and the vast majority of Scots would have no objections.

**opositive** · 21st April 12, 11:35 AM

i am going with harmless fun and would call myself a square foot "unprincipaled" and "peerless" rabble laird.

**English Bloke** · 21st April 12, 11:40 AM

Like you say Alex. Harmless fun that often raises much needed support for the estates from whence these deeds come. In effect you're buying a scroll and a fantasy. So long as you understand that before parting with your reddies it matters not.

**opositive** · 22nd April 12, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by English Bloke

Like you say Alex. Harmless fun that often raises much needed support for the estates from whence these deeds come. In effect you're buying a scroll and a fantasy. So long as you understand that before parting with your reddies it matters not.

after seeing this topic pop up a few times and now having done some additional reading, the idea of this being in effect a charitable donation has appeal--so, does anyone know which or if any sellers actually support improvement/upkeep of these lands rather than sellers who just pocket the money?

fun + charity = worthwhile to me.

fun - rip off = complete waste of money.

or should i go back to my original idea of buying a bit of Laphroaig (which also pops up whenever i buy a bottle) --that is an institution i know i believe in!

**Chas** · 24th April 12, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by opositive

after seeing this topic pop up a few times and now having done some additional reading, the idea of this being in effect a charitable donation has appeal--so, does anyone know which or if any sellers actually support improvement/upkeep of these lands rather than sellers who just pocket the money?

fun + charity = worthwhile to me.

fun - rip off = complete waste of money.

or should i go back to my original idea of buying a bit of Laphroaig (which also pops up whenever i buy a bottle) --that is an institution i know i believe in!

There are two or three of these organisations purporting to do conservation work in exchange for a worthless title. When challenged, they are unable to show any receipt for any trees or plants purchased, map references for planted trees, named people who did the work and when. It goes on and on. The money paid goes to an offshore account in Guernsey, because it would be fraud in Scotland. The company address is in Guernsey and they have a very nice and expensive house in Guernsey and have not been seen in Scotland for years.

So maybe they are planting all these trees with the power of their minds.

Regards

Chas

**opositive** · 24th April 12, 05:17 PM

thanks, chas. that is what i wanted to know. sounds like i will "buy" a square foot of a certain smokey, peaty scotch property i would like to be better friends with on the isle of islay...

**EmFarq** · 26th July 12, 03:10 AM

With regard to the conservation efforts of one of the plot of land/title sellers you might want to have a look at this http://lochaberhighlandestate.blogsp...s-diamond.html

Seems to be a bit of jiggery pokery going on there for sure.