10th Mt Div Veteran

**Alphacat63** · 24th February 19, 04:17 PM

Hello all and thank you for including me.

I am wearing a "utility kilt" from Amazon.com as we speak. PITA to iron.....(file that under "it seemed like a good idea at the time"). Did I mention I'm new at this (LOL)?

Anyway- I am a proud veteran of the US Army 10th Mt Div. I am having a kilt made (built?) in the US Army tartan. I still have my old shoulder sleeve insignia from my class A's. I would LOVE to be able to display that patch on my new (US Army tartan) kilt. Does anybody know if there is any sort of protocol for this? I have been all over AR 670-1, and I cannot find ANYTHING! The LAST thing I would ever want to do is breech any protocol whatsoever.

Please advise.

Thanks again,

Dave

"Climb To Glory!"

**Father Bill** · 24th February 19, 04:36 PM

Welcome to the "Great Rabble"!

No real "protocol" in Highland wear, just some fairly firm traditions which some people emulate, others ignore, and some disdain.

So traditionally? Never heard of such a thing. You'll have to decide where you fit into the categories above (more of a continuum really) and where you're going to wear it. In the woods? Who cares. At a Highland Games? Some who know the traditions will be annoyed but will never say anything. At a formal ball? A lot of people will be disgusted but will never say anything.

That's the beauty of X-Marks - you ask a question, you get a bunch of answers which will disagree, one with the other. Here, if you ask, we'll tell you because that's part of what this forum is for. What you'll have to do is to discern from those who comment, where you fit in by reading between the lines and figuring out what the majority consensus is.

My own thought: It would be more in line with your utilikilt than with a traditional kilt.

Hope that all helps a bit, but others will give other thoughts. Your mileage may vary.

Cheers, and welcome!

**Tarheel** · 24th February 19, 05:59 PM

Well met and welcome Dave. When I got my first kilt, I got a PV, utility in the US Army tartan. The first thing I did was place an old military hat badge on as a kilt pin. The photo shows an officers cap (women army corp from Korea era) badge that I wear on my kilt.

I have considered wearing the shoulder patch from the military school I graduated from in 1977 sewn on this kilt as a statement. The 7th Army NCO academy in Bad Tolz, West Germany was that school. We had a little mountain training nearby as our PT (physical training for the non-veterans). We have other members that have sewn their military insignia on kilts.

As Father Bill states, this will be your choice. There may be discussions, pros and cons. Consider that tartan as your clan and the patch as your family house and I think you can't go wrong.

Glad to meet you and have you join the Rabble.

**CollinMacD** · 24th February 19, 06:19 PM

My Uncle Forry, (Forest MacDonald), served in the 10th Mountain Division, during WW2, joined in 1942, sent to Camp Hale in Colorado, trained, deployed to the Italian Alps in 1944. Was wounded on some ridge, winner of the Bronze Star, 2 Purple Hearts. Guess he was in the very first to be in this Division. He passed away about 10 years ago, and the 10th sent a Color Guard to the burial. He has a photo book that my cousin has with many photos of both Camp Hale, and in the Alps....They were very tough men during his service. Cheers.

**Alphacat63** · 26th February 19, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by CollinMacD

My Uncle Forry, (Forest MacDonald), served in the 10th Mountain Division, during WW2, joined in 1942, sent to Camp Hale in Colorado, trained, deployed to the Italian Alps in 1944. Was wounded on some ridge, winner of the Bronze Star, 2 Purple Hearts. Guess he was in the very first to be in this Division. He passed away about 10 years ago, and the 10th sent a Color Guard to the burial. He has a photo book that my cousin has with many photos of both Camp Hale, and in the Alps....They were very tough men during his service. Cheers.

Thanks! I bet your uncle PLENTY of stories. Wonder if her served with Bob Dole?

**Bruce Scott** · 24th February 19, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Alphacat63

I have been all over AR 670-1, and I cannot find ANYTHING! The LAST thing I would ever want to do is breech any protocol whatsoever.

I found this:

Army Regulation 670–1

Uniform and Insignia
Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia

Headquarters
Department of the Army
Washington, DC
31 March 2014

UNCLASSIFIED

Chapter 3
Appearance and Grooming Policies

3–9. Civilian clothing
f. No part of a prescribed uniform, except those items not exclusively military in character, may be worn with
civilian clothing.

**Liam** · 24th February 19, 06:57 PM

Welcome to the forum from Western Canada 🇨🇦!

**jhead7090** · 25th February 19, 12:13 AM

I think you should be OK wearing a unit insignia. Having been in the S-1 (Administration) for more years than I care to remember I have extensive experience dealing with uniform regulations. The current Marine Corps Order on uniforms and personal appearance talks about uniforms being worn by retirees and honorably discharges Marines and only addresses complete uniforms. I've seen more veterans, ranging from crusty WW II to young veterans, than I can easily count wearing a wide variety of military insignias ranging from rank insignia to unit patches. That's how I identify fellow Marines who I greet with a hearty Semper Fi and handshake. But if you're in doubt check with the local body snatchers (recruiters).

**Arnot** · 25th February 19, 01:42 AM

I was in 10th Mountain Division from Feb 92 to Nov 95. I was in 1-22 Infantry before it changed to 1-32. I wouldn't think you need to worry about putting the patch on your kilt. Unit patches get put on all sorts of items (ie. hats, shirts, etc.) and are worn on post without issue.

Personally, I wouldn't use the shoulder sleeve insignia. I would get a pin-on version, maybe a Combat Service Identification Badge (CSIB). It need not represent combat service. It's just a metallic representation of the shoulder sleeve insignia. This way it's a bit more optional than permanent as it's not sewn on. Just my thoughts.

**Alphacat63** · 26th February 19, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tarheel

Well met and welcome Dave. When I got my first kilt, I got a PV, utility in the US Army tartan. The first thing I did was place an old military hat badge on as a kilt pin. The photo shows an officers cap (women army corp from Korea era) badge that I wear on my kilt.

I have considered wearing the shoulder patch from the military school I graduated from in 1977 sewn on this kilt as a statement. The 7th Army NCO academy in Bad Tolz, West Germany was that school. We had a little mountain training nearby as our PT (physical training for the non-veterans). We have other members that have sewn their military insignia on kilts.

As Father Bill states, this will be your choice. There may be discussions, pros and cons. Consider that tartan as your clan and the patch as your family house and I think you can't go wrong.

Glad to meet you and have you join the Rabble.

Thank you. And that hat insignia looks GREAT!