What type of sgian Dubh is worn in the Highlands?

[Jacques]

i am very curious to know more about what kind of sgian dubh the average Scotsman, living in Scotland, personally owns and wears with his kilt. My best uneducated guess is the sgian dubh is probably a hand me down (heirloom?) just as the kilt seems to be on occasion. But to the Scotsman living in Scotland and to the many expats who have grown up there, i ask: Do (did) you wear them when kilted? How many sgian dubhs do you own? Which ones do you regularly carry when kilted? Do you use a day and a dress sgian dubh? Any information you can provide would be most welcome. Also, would you please provide photographs/images of your favourites. i, for one would be very interested in viewing some of your blades and learn from a brief description of it's history.

Thank-you in advance for your participation.

Jacques

[Kiltedjohn]

I know this is often portrayed as part of the outfit, but I personally have never worn or owned a sgian dubh. [I wasn't even sure how it was spelled - had to check the spelling. Displaying my ignorance.]

[Jock Scot]

I think that the "average Scotsman" has never owned a kilt and is more than likely to have never worn one. Therefore owning an SD is an unlikely event.

Anyway, my one and only do-it-all SD and with an exceedingly sharp edge and is a tool rather than a weapon. It belonged to an Uncle who served with the Black Watch.

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[OC Richard]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jock, but the impression I got during various visits to Scotland was that very few Scots own kilts, but it's common for Scots to wear hired kilts to weddings.

Several homes I visted had wedding photos displayed and usually the men were in kilts. I was told that the kilts were hired.

A beautiful sgian there, Jock!

As far as sgian styles, there have long been staghorn sginean for Day Dress and carved black wood sginean with silver fitments for Evening Dress.

Officers and pipers in the army wore black sginean with silver or gilt fitments.

Nowadays, here in the USA, it has become problematic wearing sginean because so many places ban weapons of any sort, and many places have metal detectors. The Pipe Band I play in has banned them.

[Jock Scot]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jock, but the impression I got during various visits to Scotland was that very few Scots own kilts, but it's common for Scots to wear hired kilts to weddings.

Several homes I visted had wedding photos displayed and usually the men were in kilts. I was told that the kilts were hired.

A beautiful sgian there, Jock!

As far as sgian styles, there have long been staghorn sginean for Day Dress and carved black wood sginean with silver fitments for Evening Dress.

Officers and pipers in the army wore black sginean with silver or gilt fitments.

Nowadays, here in the USA, it has become problematic wearing sginean because so many places ban weapons of any sort, and many places have metal detectors. The Pipe Band I play in has banned them.

OCR
I was thinking about Kilt hire as I was typing my first post in this thread and in consultation with others(lowland Scots) who are staying with us, we decided that whilst kilt hire is indeed on the up within Scotland, it is still not as common as many might think. But I stand to be corrected should good evidence be available.

The day wear and evening wear SD's ideas are in my experience, more of a theoretical idea for new kilt wearers who are doing things by the kilt attire merchants book . If you have one good SD and it fills both places satisfactorily, why have two?

Yes the SD in my picture has silver gilt fittings.

The legal aspect to the carrying knives within the UK is interesting. Scotland has for quite some time had an almost a zero tolerance to knives in public places and has had some reasonable success in reducing knife crime. England in particular and I think Wales( I am not sure about Northern Ireland) has a real problem with knife crime at present and has fallen in line----more or less -----with Scotland's tactics.

However, the carrying of a SD is perfectly legal(different laws) when worn sensibly with National Attire North and South of the border.

[tripleblessed]

However, the carrying of a SD is perfectly legal(different laws) when worn sensibly with National Attire North and South of the border.

As it is in the US. Sensibly being the key word. I have had the discussion more than once with merchants that federal law supersedes personal preference; none of us is allowed to write our own laws. Federal law says everyone is equal under the law; no differentiating. I am happy to accept anyone's choices, but the law is the law. You don't want to follow the law, don't open to serve the public. Certain governmental office situations are excepted. It is the same with merchants telling me they need my Social Security number. No. It is illegal even to ask outside certain banking situations.

It is a lovely tool, Jock. As noted, not a weapon. An open hand will do considerably more damage. And regularly does, in all our countries.

[Jacques]

i see that my post did leave some of my questions open to interpretation. My questions were directed specifically to the members of the forum presently living or having spent their formative years in Scotland, The Highlands specifically, or where the wearing of THCD is or was a common part of their day to day lives from a young age. Not necessarily worn every day, but perhaps something so common to the individual that when they kit out, what and how you dress isn't even given a second thought. Thank-you Kiltedjohn, from a thick-headed North American point of view (speaking for myself rabble, although there has to be at least one more out there) i find your response enlightening. Jock, that is a beautiful SD. Do you know when and where it was made?

[lschwartz]

I think that the "average Scotsman" has never owned a kilt and is more than likely to have never worn one. Therefore owning an SD is an unlikely event.

Anyway, my one and only do-it-all SD and with an exceedingly sharp edge and is a tool rather than a weapon. It belonged to an Uncle who served with the Black Watch.

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Jock,

That is a beautiful knife. A real work of functional art. I am sure it is a treasured item and full of memories.

Larry

[Jock Scot]

Jock,

That is a beautiful knife. A real work of functional art. I am sure it is a treasured item and full of memories.

Larry

Well I am not sure that I think quite like that. Its more like it is a useful knife for minor jobs and it is I suppose, an example of "functional art" and thank you Uncle and yes, I do have occasional fond memories of him ---------just as I have for my other Uncles, Aunts, Mother, Father and Grand parents, but its rarely something I dwell on and I remember them mainly for who they were, not for what they owned.

I don't want to make too much of all this, but I have various pieces, some quite old, still in regular use, that go back much further than them and yes they are appreciated for all sorts of reasons on rare occasion. I am not at all unusual in this as I suppose European history can be traced back in some families------and not necessarily particularly grand ones at that-------for several centuries. Its no big deal, it just illustrates the ebb and flow of some parts of family history and its just that some were just luckier and perhaps more prudent than others.

[Steve Ashton]

I don't really have a need for a knife in my sock as I have blades all over my shop.

But one of my favorite things I will stick in my sock (Especially when travelling) is a Sgain Shoe.



To me it is what would most useful. I don't wear a Sgain 99% of the time as I don't feel it is needed and certainly not required by some rule.