Linton Surname and Tartan – More Info

[cglinton]

Hi Folks,

I’m new to the forum and thought I would add some information about the Linton family/sept as an update to a thread previously posted several years ago regarding which tartan is related to the surname Linton: The bottom line is that Linton is a sept of clan Kerr. Please see these links for details regarding the Linton sept of the Kerr clan:
http://www.clankerr.org/septs.html
https://www.scotclans.com/scottish-c...rr/kerr-septs/
https://www.scotweb.co.uk/info/kerr/

A brief history of the Lintons: The Lintons are considered to be Brythonic/Brittonic Celts (Strathclyde Britons) originally from the East Lothian region of Scotland, the same region that is home to clan Kerr, hence the Linton’s being a sept of that clan. The history of the Lintons is based on research mentioned by the following:
https://www.hallofnames.org.uk/
https://www.houseofnames.com/linton-family-crest

My personal history includes the migration of Linton family members from the Mid-Atlantic area to the Deep South. Some Lintons were likely part of the movement of Scots to Ireland (Ulster Scots / Scots-Irish).

One interesting note about the Lintons is the legend of the Linton Worm (Dragon):
https://www.scotclans.com/scotland/s...s/linton-worm/
Sounds a lot scarier than Nessie!

Best,
Garry Linton

[Steve Ashton]

Please remember that while Tartans have names (we have to call them something), that this whole thing about which Tartan you can, or should, wear is about "Where do your people come from" far more than it is about what name you carry.

If you go back even just 5 generations you will have 32 grandparents - 32 different surnames - from 32 different places.

Following just your fathers male line is only one of those.

If you can find an unbroken paper trail back to a place, perhaps we can offer a better idea than looking on some computer list.

Most of the histories you find on-line and the Sept lists on-line are little help as there is no single, authoritative Sept list. The concept comes from the Victorian Romance Period and is not originally Scottish. Each Clan Chief may decide which names they accept and they have been known to change them.

The "East Lothian region of Scotland" is in the Lowlands near Edinburgh so it is quite likely that your people may, or may not, be part of a Highland Clan.

[cglinton]

Thanks for the elaboration and additional, good points, Steve. You are correct - The Kerrs (and Lintons) are Lowland families, so they are not related to a Highland clan. Traditions for the Kerr clan tartan are based in the 19th century conventions that you mentioned. Historically, the Kerrs were a prominent and powerful family of the region, so the early members of the Linton family would have recognized their influence, fostering the sept designation for the Lintons (albeit unofficial and at the discretion of the Kerr clan chief).

On a personal basis, I embrace the history that all tartans were / are originally based on localities vs. families and later matched up with families during the widespread marketing effort in the Victorian era, so I wanted to share some details about the Kerr tartan for the Linton sept and its connection to region.

I've had a chance to explore my family history that includes Highlander and Lowlander ancestors in paternal and maternal lines from all over Scotland, so I've enjoyed learning more about those family surnames and beyond the Linton name and original region for Lintons. One of my more recent direct Highland ancestors (paternal) was a McNeil. I've incorporated that particular clan history into my current study as well.

Thanks,
Garry

[Steve Ashton]

The Kerr Tartan was originally published in the Vestiarium Scoticum in 1842 which we now know was just a product of the imagination of the so called Sobieski Stuarts. So not originally a Clan Tartan at all.

The Kerr family are from down nearer the borders so not a Highland Clan. And a totally different part of Scotland.

The thing that a lot of people assume is that the way many people today view Scotland is very different from how the Scots would have viewed themselves over history. The Scotland around Edinburgh in the mid 1700's was quite different from the more romantic concept of Clan as viewed today by many in N. America.

[cglinton]

The 1842 Vestiarium Scoticum source is indeed included in the 19th century information for the tartan pattern that the Kerr clan identifies with. Like many Lowland families of the time, they were no doubt part of the 19th century enthusiasm across Scotland to incorporate a tartan into their family tradition.

Thanks again,
Garry

[Steve Ashton]

I think your "19th century enthusiasm across Scotland to incorporate a tartan into their family tradition" would better be more accurately written as "19th century enthusiasm outside of Scotland to incorporate a Tartan into their family tradition."

The first attempt to standardize and record Tartans was done in London. In Scotland there seems to have been far less interest in the whole concept of "I'm of Scottish ancestry so I, of course, should be able to find what Clan I belong to".

I know and understand that all of this is coming across as a bit rude and dismissive. And I apologize for that. I do not mean for my comments to come across that way. It is just that I have been in the kilt business for quite a few years and gone as a vendor to a lot of Highland Games. You can have no idea how many times I have heard much the same.

You referenced "House of Names" in your first post. This is one of what we call "Bucket Shops" at Games. You walk up and give them a name. Any name. And they will be more than happy to look it up for you. They will then offer to print off a full history, give you a Clan affiliation, and even print a coat of arms for you. I once gave one of these guys an Italian name that sounded sort of Scottish and the amount of BS he handed back was really impressive. All bogus but impressive. There is no "Family Coat of Arms" under the Scottish system of heraldry and the 'history' that he printed was exactly the same words that he offered someone else with just the names changed.
I had one guy come into my tent with a huge collection of material that he was given at one of the "Clan" tents. He was looking to get a kilt in "His" newly discovered Tartan. It seems that he was led to believe that his name alone 'entitled' him to wear this Tartan, to display a coat of arms, to go to Scotland and 'claim' title to a defunct castle, and even to claim a title of Laird.

I have had people talk to me about "Their Clan" when what they actually mean is their paid membership in a clan society. A social group that by signing up and paying your 'dues' you are actually buying the newsletter.

The Clan system we know today holds very little relationship to what Clan was at the time of Culloden and little to the system from 100 years before that.
I seriously doubt that if you approached a Scot from south of Stirling in 1700, and asked what Clan he belonged to, that you would have been met with much enthusiasm.

Be proud of your Scottish ancestry. There is a lot to be proud of. But please do not buy into the modern concept of Scottish Clans that is so prevalent in N. America today.