Scotland's Shame

**piperdbh** · 28th November 11, 03:41 PM

Thanks, Peter. I understand a bit about prejudice and bigotry. What I'm wondering though is how many other factors are involved, in addition to which church one frequents. From what I've read, church attendance rates are down in Scotland, as they are in the US, so my guess is that religion is probably not the main driving force behind people's views, especially younger people.

I'm wearing my special skates for the thin ice we're on here.

**McClef** · 28th November 11, 03:52 PM

To analyse all the underlying causes and ills of a situation is beyond the remit of our forums and even more when there is not even a hint of tartan involved. We had enough problems with how threads went even when tartan was involved during the Pope's visit.

That ice is now getting very thin.

**Peter Crowe** · 28th November 11, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

Thanks, Peter. I understand a bit about prejudice and bigotry. What I'm wondering though is how many other factors are involved, in addition to which church one frequents. From what I've read, church attendance rates are down in Scotland, as they are in the US, so my guess is that religion is probably not the main driving force behind people's views, especially younger people.

I'm wearing my special skates for the thin ice we're on here.

Much of it (IMHO) is about group identity rather than doctrine or sincere belief.

**cessna152towser** · 28th November 11, 03:56 PM

Matt Newsome wrote:-

Have we really reached that point where displaying an image of the pope on a scarf is considered a danger for "potentially causing a riot?"

The Sun article is not very well written and could be construed as suggesting such but the way I read it was that it was the cop's over-reaction in confiscating the scarf which could have potentially caused a riot, not the displaying of the image of the Pope.

**piperdbh** · 28th November 11, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Peter Crowe

Much of it (IMHO) is about group identity rather than doctrine or sincere belief.

Bingo.

It's raining at my house. How's the weather up your way?

**Peter Crowe** · 28th November 11, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

Bingo.

It's raining at my house. How's the weather up your way?

It was great for late November, dry and in the 50's F.

**Jimmy** · 28th November 11, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Peter Crowe

Indeed Jimmy, I can still get my supply of Caramel Wafers here in Massachusetts at the same store where I get lovat green kilt hose. Archie Tunnock had a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, the number plate was AT 12. My parents knew both Boyd and his late brother Tom. I was Tom Tunnock's paper boy (newspaper delivery boy) when I was 15 (30 years ago).

BTW I wasn't born in Bellshill maternity, I was born at Calderbank House in Baillieston, next to Calderpark Zoo (for which I got all the pelters about being born in a monkey cage

).

I never met old Archie but I have had cause to meet Boyd on a few occassions, a real gentleman and very generous to many organisations in the area.
I bet you got your tips in teacakes and caramel wafers.
We had a neighbour who used to work in the bakery and like all the workers they had the privelege of taking home caramel wafers that were not just right, she used to hand in a dozen of them every week, what a treat!

I had a friend who used to go sailing with Boyd on the Clyde, Boyd's yacht was called 'LEMARAC'

**Peter Crowe** · 28th November 11, 05:20 PM

Jimmy, do you still live in Bellshill? My best pal Iain (sceptical about kilts and Rangers daft) married a lassie from up there and bought his house in the former SSHA scheme near the old maternity hospital. He works as a driver at the Tannochside transport depot for NLC.

**Jimmy** · 28th November 11, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Peter Crowe

Jimmy, do you still live in Bellshill? My best pal Iain (sceptical about kilts and Rangers daft) married a lassie from up there and bought his house in the former SSHA scheme near the old maternity hospital. He works as a driver at the Tannochside transport depot for NLC.

Peter, I live in Old Kilpatrick now for the last few years, I have relatives living in Bellshill and i am there frequently.
I know the housing estate on the former site of the maternity hospital and the council yard is still there just outside Bellshill on the road to Viewpark

**Peter Crowe** · 28th November 11, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Peter, I live in Old Kilpatrick now for the last few years, I have relatives living in Bellshill and i am there frequently.
I know the housing estate on the former site of the maternity hospital and the council yard is still there just outside Bellshill on the road to Viewpark

Latterly I lived in Firhill (the tenements on Murano Street overlooking the stadium) at the time John Lambie was the Jags manager. I had an old association with Hamilton Academicals (my childhood diddy team), as had Partick Thistle (ground-sharing) and John Lambie. While I was at Glasgow University as a mature student I started questioning things more deeply and no longer felt comfortable with what I was hearing around me at Ibrox (for the reasons underlying this thread as I had been a nominal and increasingly dubious Rangers supporter since primary school), I became a Partick Thistle FC season ticket holder my last year in Glasgow (2002/03).