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6th March 25, 06:08 PM
#1021
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
Here's the King's "revival" sporran, when new, and recently.

The photo on the left tells me that "Kilt Pockets" are not a new invention, unless I have no idea what I'm looking at.
I’m “allergic” to eBay, but assuming the other photos are from your personal collection I’ll ask your opinion of dress sporrans featuring Red Fox fur and 3 bulbous fur tassles? Would a yellow bras cantle mandate a brass kilt pin and Cap badge?
Here's one for "offer" (REALLY pricey) from Kinloch-Anderson, but they're often even MORE expensive from similar Glasgow and Edinburgh high end shops:
On the other hand, I'm clearly not in search of "authenticity" at any cost; some of the "full head" hunting Sporrans would put me at risk of legal separation, or at least my spouse running screaming from the room!
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6th March 25, 07:26 PM
#1022
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
The photo on the left tells me that "Kilt Pockets" are not a new invention, unless I have no idea what I'm looking at.
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I'm pretty sure you're mistaking the bottom of his jacket for pockets on his kilt.
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7th March 25, 01:15 AM
#1023
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
The photo on the left tells me that "Kilt Pockets" are not a new invention, unless I have no idea what I'm looking at.
They are not kilt pockets but Taches or Inverness Flaps on the doublet. They are still found on modern (Regulation) Doublets.
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7th March 25, 02:57 AM
#1024
Here's another WE Scott seal Evening sporran for 10 pounds.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12697430048...Bk9SR87ipYCuZQ
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7th March 25, 03:24 AM
#1025
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
The photo on the left tells me that "Kilt Pockets" are not a new invention, unless I have no idea what I'm looking at.
As Peter mentions, they're the pockets of a Doublet.
Doublets were by far the most often-seen Evening jacket in the Victorian period. They were made in an endless variety of styles.

What defines a "Doublet" in the Highland Dress sense of the word (there were "doublets" in Renaissance Europe which were different) are the pockets. I've heard these pockets called various things including "Inverness flaps" and "Inverness skirts" which I don't care for because they, well, skirt around the fact that these are pockets.
I much prefer another term I've heard "Inverness tashes" ("pockets" cf German taschen).
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
I’ll ask your opinion of dress sporrans featuring Red Fox fur and 3 bulbous fur tassles?
Here's one for "offer" (REALLY pricey) from Kinloch-Anderson...
My opinion is that it's hideous. Not fox per se which can be very nice, but that horrid cantle.
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
Would a yellow brass cantle mandate a brass kilt pin and Cap badge?
That gets into the "mixing metals" thing. Traditionally cap badges and kilt pins, all "Highland ornaments" in fact, were usually German Silver or Sterling Silver.
And it hasn't been uncommon for brown day-dress Hunting sporrans and revival Culloden sporrans to have brass hardware.
It hasn't bothered life-long Scottish kilt-wearers. It's usually Americans new to kilt-wearing who want to match things.
Even more so in Highland military uniform were gold and silver freely mixed.
Here are Black Watch pipers. If a new civilian pipe band was putting together their Full Dress kit they'd not want gold sporrans, jacket buttons, jacket lace to pair with silver waistbelt & crossbelt hardware and plaid brooches. In fact the piper's dirks are silver while the Pipe Major's dirk is gold. Note the Pipe Major's crossbelt badge is bi-metal in itself. (I do wonder what's worrying Pipie.)

 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
...some of the "full head" hunting Sporrans would put me at risk of legal separation, or at least my spouse running screaming from the room!
For sure I used to have a badger mask sporran and I was made to feel uncomfortable at some of the venues I was piping at, what with the high percentage of Vegans and PETA and SPCA people we have here in California. (Their kids, on the other hand, were fascinated and delighted by the thing.)
Last edited by OC Richard; 7th March 25 at 03:35 AM.
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7th March 25, 08:52 AM
#1026
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
As Peter mentions, they're the pockets of a Doublet.
Except that he also said they're not pockets, so I'm still confused regarding terminology vs. accessibility. Could one put things in them? (Low on the need to know scale, even approaching my 78th birthday and needing places to store my gadgets, including AirTags to paste on my AirTags – sometimes I think I should swallow one of them so I could find myself)! Long and short of it, however, I have NO need for a doublet.
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
Traditionally cap badges and kilt pins, all "Highland ornaments" in fact, were usually German Silver or Sterling Silver.
Must admit that's the first time I've ever heard of "German Silver." I had to look it up. But I'm VERY happy to know that "mixing metals" is not a sartorial sin.
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
My opinion is that it's hideous. Not fox per se which can be very nice, but that horrid cantle.
Originally I'd planned to post a pic of a red fox fur sporran from USA kilts, but I chose that one because if it's good enough for the guys whose customer mailing list includes "His Royal Highness" it MUST be good enough for me, but I didn't like the cantle either! But, my real jeopardy after being tossed out onto the street for asking my wife to fasten the sporran strap of a full head fur sporran here in Montana would not come from a fervent PETA apostle, but rather from some guy who spotted me and mused "well, at least ONE of my hunting licenses must cover that…"
So, how about this alternative, from USA Kilts (obviously not antique, and I think made in the USA)?
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Yesterday, 03:43 AM
#1027
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
Originally I'd planned to post a pic of a red fox fur sporran from USA kilts...
Why not taker a look at Margaret Morrison - they supply a lot of the kilt trade (including KA) and invariably you can buy the same sporran from MM for less than any of the retailers who add their own mark up. MM will also make bespoke sporrans to your own requirements. Even if you don't go with MM, it's a great site to check out different sporran styles.
https://morrison-sporrans.co.uk/search?q=fox
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Yesterday, 03:58 AM
#1028
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
Except that he also said they're not pockets, so I'm still confused regarding terminology vs. accessibility. Could one put things in them? (Low on the need to know scale, even approaching my 78th birthday and needing places to store my gadgets, including AirTags to paste on my AirTags – sometimes I think I should swallow one of them so I could find myself)! Long and short of it, however, I have NO need for a doublet.
It might depend on who makes them. I suspect the cheaper versions and knock-offs are just a flap - but mine include a slash pocket - like those you might find in a vest.
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Yesterday, 07:39 AM
#1029
Tomo beat me to it!
These military Full Dress doublets look ornamental but they have functional tashes too.

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