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                                                11th June 07, 09:12 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			Penannular brooches and the like
		
			
				
					g'day folks
 There have been a couple of recent posts about great kilts, and I too have been discussing great kilts with other members of the local SCA group.
 
 And the thought occurred to me: "How does one pin the ends of a great kilt on or over one's shoulder?", closely followed by "who can I ask to find out about this?".
 
 Of course, I turn to those who are most knowledgable about all things kilted - other Xmarks members!!
  
 So, those who know, please tell me: what do you prefer to use to keep the opposite ends of your great kilts attached to your shoulder? Do you use penannular brooches, or something else?  Do you pierce the material, or is there another way?
 
 I look forward to increasing my knowledge of kilt-related paraphenalia.
 
 cheers
 
 Hachiman
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                                                12th June 07, 12:04 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					The most historically accurate way would be with a bodkin, but I use a big penannular brooch myself.
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 03:11 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Right, if you're an authenticity nut (like me!) don't use a pennanular brooch.  They fell out of use in the early middle ages and are not "right" for the great kilt period....
 A bodkin is just a big, heavy straight pin of any material: iron, brass, bone, a sliver of antler, a thorn.  Raiding Granny's box of old hatpins will often yield something perfect.  These make great bodkins, too:
 
 http://www.craftycelts.com/hair/lightpins.html
 Brian 
 "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 08:02 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Can we get a photo of how a bodkin would be employed?
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 10:05 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I'm big on authenticity, but I wear a penannular with my greatkilt, because it was the first thing I forged in my home smithy.  
 If you use a penannular, make sure the circle is big enough around to accommodate the fabric.  Likewise, a bodkin must be long enough to keep the material from slipping.  Penannulars are more secure, I think.  They are the medieval version of the safety pin, just to early in period.
 An uair a théid an gobhainn air bhathal 'se is feàrr a bhi réidh ris.(When the smith gets wildly excited, 'tis best to agree with him.)
 
 Kiltio Ergo Sum.
 I Kilt, therefore I am.   -McClef
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 12:53 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	When wearing an upper-body garment (waistcoat, jacket), pin it through the plaid fabric and the left shoulder of said garment:
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Mr. MacDougall   Can we get a photo of how a bodkin would be employed? 
 
  
 When wearing the upper part of the plaid joined across your chest, just bring the ends together and jam the bodkin through:
 
 
  
 The pin will open up the weaving of the wool and not damage it, same as with a modern kilt pin....
 Brian 
 "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 08:11 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	How do you keep the pin from sliding through and being lost?
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Woodsheal    just bring the ends together and jam the bodkin through 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                12th June 07, 09:45 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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                                                13th June 07, 02:37 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Exactly, or it has a head on it (see my link above).  Plus, when it's stuck thru that much fabric, it doesn't do alot of sliding...!
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by PiobBear   It's tapered. Brian 
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                                                13th June 07, 09:54 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					When the Wild Highlanders do their Great Kilt demonstrations at the various highland games they use either penanular brooches of a solid ring and piece of antler.  The take the front portion and the pleats portion over the shoulder, one over the other, pull both through the ring, and slide the antler under the fabric.  you can then tug the ends as snug as you like.  The wool fibers sort of hold together and won't slip out of the ring.
 I'm in search of a nice forged/twisted brass ring, about 2.5" to 3" i.d.
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 Where 4 Scotsmen gather there'll usually be a fifth.
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