Grizzly bear kills man near Yellowstone....

[Bugbear]

On the frontier in colonial days, bear grease was one of the very few sources of fat, certainly to the pre-invasion native population. With most North American game being so lean, it is said to have in fact been a vital dietary supplement to avoid 'rabbit fever'. So I wouldn't be surprised if it formed the basis of everything requiring something fatty or waxy.

But not Scottish face paint. There was no Scottish face paint, was there? Wode yes, on pre-Celts; wode or paint no, never on Celts. Not before Mel Gibson.

Like I have stated, hopefully very clearly, I am not an expert in any of this.

I'm not so sure about bear grease being "one of the very few sources of fat," especially to the "pre-invasion native." Is there a book on the subject stating this that I could read for more information.

I have no idea what Mel Gibson paints his face with, but I have read that Scots lived with and married into Native American tribes. I suppose I could go look up some citations, but I posted a link to Electric Scotland with some information on this not too long ago. It could have happened.

* Here's the link: Scotland and the American Indians, on Electric Scotland.

[celtophile]

[QUOTE=Bugbear;892306]No, for real. I was looking at getting a bear fur sporran, don't think the ones at the STM have silver cantles, to go with a Bear Tartan kilt. QUOTE]

Just to make sure you are aware the "Bear Tartan" is associated with gentelmen who enjoy the company of other gents who are large and hairsuit.

I appologize if you are already aware of this but I don't want you to have any unwelcome attention in your kilt.

[Bugbear]

[QUOTE=celtophile;893537]

No, for real. I was looking at getting a bear fur sporran, don't think the ones at the STM have silver cantles, to go with a Bear Tartan kilt. QUOTE]

Just to make sure you are aware the "Bear Tartan" is associated with gentelmen who enjoy the company of other gents who are large and hairsuit.

I appologize if you are already aware of this but I don't want you to have any unwelcome attention in your kilt.

No apology necessary.

I manage a social group here on XMTS for the LGBT related Bear Tartan.
I am also aware that there are people with the last name "Bear," and that calling oneself a "Bear" or using bear totem does not mean that you are or want to be associated with the LGBT Bear tartan. I don't know what to do about this other than point out, from time to time, the Bear Tartan is LGBT related.

I understand the LGBT related Bear community is associated with gentlemen "large and hairsuit"... Um, don't worry about it...

* It looks like MacMillan of Rathdown was who brought it up first in this thread, just for the record.
It really isn't the subject of the thread, and I'm sorry for having made an issue of it.

[macwilkin]

Like I have stated, hopefully very clearly, I am not an expert in any of this.

I'm not so sure about bear grease being "one of the very few sources of fat," especially to the "pre-invasion native." Is there a book on the subject stating this that I could read for more information.

I have no idea what Mel Gibson paints his face with, but I have read that Scots lived with and married into Native American tribes. I suppose I could go look up some citations, but I posted a link to Electric Scotland with some information on this not too long ago. It could have happened.

* Here's the link: Scotland and the American Indians, on Electric Scotland.

The best book on the subject, INMHO, is Colin Calloway's White People, Indians and Highlanders: Tribal People and Colonial Encounters in Scotland and America:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/genera...=9780195340129

T.

[Lallans]

Like I have stated, hopefully very clearly, I am not an expert in any of this.

I'm not so sure about bear grease being "one of the very few sources of fat," especially to the "pre-invasion native." Is there a book on the subject stating this that I could read for more information.

I have no idea what Mel Gibson paints his face with, but I have read that Scots lived with and married into Native American tribes. I suppose I could go look up some citations, but I posted a link to Electric Scotland with some information on this not too long ago. It could have happened.

* Here's the link: Scotland and the American Indians, on Electric Scotland.

Whoops I didn't intend a criticism there- not sure where that came in- just chipping in some general background knowledge based on Canadian grade school history, general reading, statements from mountain men, survival training, and correspondence with back-to-the-earth northern dwellers from the 60s.

[Bugbear]

The best book on the subject, INMHO, is Colin Calloway's White People, Indians and Highlanders: Tribal People and Colonial Encounters in Scotland and America:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/genera...=9780195340129

T.

Ah, I love Oxford University Press books! I will look into that. Thanks, cajunscot.

[Bugbear]

Whoops I didn't intend a criticism there- not sure where that came in- just chipping in some general background knowledge based on Canadian grade school history, general reading, statements from mountain men, survival training, and correspondence with back-to-the-earth northern dwellers from the 60s.

I didn't see your post until I had posted.

I'm just wondering if you knew of a book on the subject. I can see now we are talking about two different areas of North America, so that is the source of the confusion on my part. Sorry about that.

I'm not sure how credible this site's information is, but it talks about all kinds of animal grease and fat being used and eaten.

Guts and Grease: The Diet of Native Americans

* I have learned my lesson. I can not refer to what someone else has stated on the forum in a discussion as a reference with which to defend my own statements. I must provide direct citations and sources of primary information or I will be rightly ignored or have my head bitten off by those with sources and citations. That doesn't even go into the credibility war of citations and sources. That's why I want to know if there is a book, so I can defend myself!

[macwilkin]

Ah, I love Oxford University Press books! I will look into that. Thanks, cajunscot.

Calloway is one of my favorite historians, Ted. I just finished his New Worlds for All: Indians, Europeans, and the remaking of early America (Johns Hopkins UP), which is also a great read.

T.

[Bugbear]

Calloway is one of my favorite historians, Ted. I just finished his New Worlds for All: Indians, Europeans, and the remaking of early America (Johns Hopkins UP), which is also a great read.

T.

Thanks, cajunscot. I have his books, First Peoples: A Documentary Survey of American Indian History and The Shawnees and the War for America already on my list of books to read. I'll go ahead and look over those books, and will look at the libraries, I use, for the books you have suggested.

[Bugbear]

Bingo! I'm finding some discussion of the Scottish/Native American subject, including specific people, in Calloway's, First Peoples: A Documentary Survey of American Indian History; Boston: Bedford/St. Martin's, 1999.

Too many books to look through; Thanks for the leads, cajunscot!