Let's discuss shirts a little bit, since i seem to have stepped on some toes. My own practice and belief is that a Traditional Highland Civilian shirt is made from woven fabric and has a collar. It is not particularly tight or loose and if it has a pattern, it is one that does not fight too vigorously with the kilt.

That probably means most checks are OK, but probably NOT tartan. I would think certain stripes might work ( what is called in the US a "university stripe" is frequently treated as a solid in Saxon traditional clothing circles) but that might depend on the wearer and the circumstances.

I think we might agree that a white shirt is the only appropriate one for most formal occasions. In what might be called the rule of color saturation, I think there is a general theory that the darker the shirt, at least in traditional settings, the more casual the outfit. Thus, a dark colored shirt might work for a traditional shooting or hiking outfit, but not for worship services (Unless you are a member of the clergy.) I may be wrong, but I believe navy blue, dark maroon and similar colors are inherently casual, unless you are in Clan McSoprano.

While they may be historical, I believe full sleeved shirts, with no collar, or with a broad collar or even with lacing at the throat, are not traditional in the sense of modern traditional. There, I have "opened the door" for those who wish to continue debating what Traditional means. I do not mean to start that, but it is arguably part of this topic. Traditional within the lifetime of our eldest contributor, whoever that may be.

And now, on to casual traditional shirts. I am a proud Eagle Scout. I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Armed Services. I do occasionally wear shirts designed for shooting and hunting and some of them have epaulets. I do not seek them out and I generally confine their wearing to shooting-oriented events, including fundraisers, picnics, and actual kindling-the-powder shooting. I believe they also have shoulder patches. Being a manly man, I am able to fire my shotgun without injuring my shoulder, even without the patch, but the patch becomes a kind of indicator that these are specialized equipment. I do not wear these shirts for hanging out at the corner.

And I do not wear them with my kilt.

I do not belong to any organization that encourages the use or wearing of a permanent name tag or ID badge. I do not even wear the HELLO MY NAME IS kind if I can avoid them.

So for me, wearing a kilt, I do not have a tradition of wearing any kind of badges, medals or the like with my kilt, especially with a short sleeved shirt and no jacket.

But I did not invent the kilt or even contribute to the drafting of the Proper Rules for its wearing under assorted enumerated circumstances (K,PR4IWUAEC). Therefore, I will eagerly await comments from others.

I will just go ahead and say that collared knit shirts seem to be close enough to the line that they are acceptable for casual traditional highland civilian dress, as illustrated by Mael Colum's recent thread.

OK, let the wild rumpus begin.