Hi Everyone thanks for your feed back, I am pleating one kilt to the stripe, I have started my next kilt to the stipe and found that easy as counting the stripes that I can get into the material, as a rough guage. I have 31 pleats in that one. For the other kilt its for the sett, I studied the calculations again and have managed to do it, thanks for your help. Only thing I would say about the cm and metres issue that is I don't know why all is in cm, I can only think that one company I went to buy cloth from sells in metres and everything is in metric, some companies sell by the metre in Britain as all is metric so need to check before I order, I asked one company is it it metres or yards they sell it and they said metres. Hence I had to make sure I asked for the material in metres. 1 yard = 0.9144 metres. I already have the art of kiltmaking book and was only asking for some help I don't need to be shouted at in capital letters I would not think. And thanks for the tip on the ruler with both measurements might go get one of those.