For anyone who may be interested to know: I just this moment received some fabric samples in the post from Marton Mills in England. They enclosed swatches of their Jura quality tartan (16 oz.) and their Bute quality (13 oz.). The weights seem to be true, in the swatch books. They sent a cut sample of Bute, as well, showing the selvedge, but nothing to show the selvedge on the Jura (the swatches have pinked edges all round). The Bute selvedge is quite even, with no loose threads showing, which is good, but it is also quite visible and 'shiny'. Some of the shiny quality might get better with wear, but the selvedge does not compare favourably with the N. Batley 'heavyweight' cloth they call Torredon quality -- which is close in weight to what Marton Mills call their medium weight (Bute) -- the Batley Torredon quality is NOT 16 oz./yd., as they claim. Besides having a questionable selvedge, the MM Bute is a bit light for kiltmaking, in my opinion, in the cut sample, though the swatch book samples seem a little better, which is odd. They are more tightly woven than the cut sample. I'd definitely go for MM's Jura in preference to the MM Bute. But I would need to see the Jura selvedge before ordering from them. If it is acceptable, then I'd prefer the MM Jura to the Batley Torredon, just because it's heavier by a couple of ounces per yard.