Well, I sort of have made up my mind to give them a try... I am just trying to figure out how they measure the 'beag. Whether it is from the naval to the knee (and the belt overhand would be calculated by them), or the navel to the knee + some overlap (which would be calculated by you). Lorie said "Pantswaist" but that is a bit different for everyone it seems. I wear my pants very differently than I wear kilts (pants around the hips, kilts up on the natural waist, where your pants are supposed to go), so I have some clarifying of measurment methods to still do.