Yes I think I need to thank Alan as well thats a hell of a write up!!! and everyone else that contributed to it as well!!! I think in order of my next kilts will be...

Green X-kilt
Black with green under pleat X-kilt
then maybe try to get some tarten and do a rev K like in the x-kilt manual...

Would like to find a suppliment for a double box pleat... seen a picture of one and those look SWEET methinks a double boxpleated x-kilt would be pretty nice


Anyways thanks Alan only problems I had is I think there needs to be a few pictures about how to set the big under pleat I know it confused me and I ended up doing it alittle different and there seems to be alot of peope asking the same questions about it.. AND maybe adding a pleat to each end (full pleat on the underapron side and atleast a half box on the over apron side) it REALLY makes the kilt look fuller and hang better IMHO AND gives alittle room to grow lol...