Ron, sometimes enthusiasm can be be miss read. I like the fact that you left out the PM itself which shows a respect for others feelings. It sounds like you might have to agree to disagree which not a bad road at times. I like hearing about different kiltmakers so when it is time to purchase I can try to make an informed choice. Some may only use kiltmaking members,some not. I value the input of you and other members on this forum, it has been and continue's to be a fun learning experience.