Significance of these types of clan pins.

[creagdhubh]

I found this in a different thread which shows a similar badge

"The badge that Cluny is wearing is the badge of Na Dionadairean Clann Mhuirich, "The Guardians of the Clan Macpherson", of which Cluny, myself, and many other members of the Clan Macpherson have earned the right to wear. The badge, and its heraldry, which pertains solely to the Clan Macpherson Association and not to any one individual in particular, has been approved for wear by those clansmen and clanswomen who have been awarded the badge in recognition of their tireless, diligent, and continued support to the Clan Macpherson Museum and House, located in Newtonmore, Inverness-shire, as well to all business relevant to the Clan Macpherson Association. The badge is authorized for wear in lieu of an Armiger or Clansman's badge, if the wearer should so choose. I have posted close-up photos of the badge below, as well as two links explaining the Guradian badge in detail."
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...rgowrie-60942/

It is in fact, the same badge. Thanks for re-posting the appropriate information!

Cheers,

[Gregmc]

Hi,

This is my first post here and I believe I have some information that may help. The circlet with the single feather is indeed an armiger; the offset feather is unusual, but may indicate the arms of a corporate body of some sort and thus the coackade may represent a banner . . . ?

The double feathers worn by the gentleman below indicate a captaincy of a clan.

[bigdad1]

Just imagine how much easier it would have been to ask those fine gents what their badges signify as opposed to opinions from the so called rabble. IMHO of course.

[ctbuchanan]

Just imagine how much easier it would have been to ask those fine gents what their badges signify as opposed to opinions from the so called rabble. IMHO of course.

Ah yes, but the rabble, in our own circuitous way did ascertain the correct answer to the question in a gentlemanly manner. One of the finer features of XMarks.

[Ryan Ross]

At first glance it would appear that the fellow in the picture is wearing a rather unusual cap badge denoting his status as an armiger. However, there are several things about the photo which make me think it might not be what it seems. Generally speaking the feather (or feathers) are centered on the circlet, not off-set as seen above. Likewise, this cockade is in three colours (white, red, and yellow) which is unlikely for livery colours as they are inevitably two colours (the first named metal and colour of the arms). I can't make out the devise in the center of the circlet, although I guess it might be (maybe) the figure of Justice, arms outstretched, an upraised sword in one hand, the other holding balance pans. That said, it could just as easily be the logo of a local Scottish games in Alabama, and the feather indicative of the wearers status as one of the organizers of the games.

Regarding the tiny medal on his lapel, or the (Indian Army?) jump wings on his breast, all I can say is that one shouldn't wear military insignia on civilian attire (other than miniature medals with black tie when appropriate).

No sir. It's a cow's head w/horns... always looked like a highland cow, to me. But I think the arms are Irish, though I'm not sure. At any rate, the gentleman in question is Al Bullman, and they are, indeed, his arms.

Just imagine how much easier it would have been to ask those fine gents what their badges signify as opposed to opinions from the so called rabble. IMHO of course.

I'll ask him next time I see him; too bad I didn't read this thread earlier, as I was talking to him yesterday.

[Geoff Withnell]

Regarding the tiny medal on his lapel, or the (Indian Army?) jump wings on his breast, all I can say is that one shouldn't wear military insignia on civilian attire (other than miniature medals with black tie when appropriate).

A quote from United States Marine Corp Uniform Regulations Paragraph 5105

"1. Decorations, medals, appropriate ribbon bars, or lapel buttons may be worn on civilian clothes at the individual's discretion. Individuals should ensure that the occasion and the manner of wearing will not reflect discredit on the award.

2. Miniature medals may be worn with civilian evening dress..."

I wear minature medals when formal. I wear my ribbon bars and combat aircrew wings at what I consider appropriate occasions. For example, I usually wear either miniature ribbons or full size ribbons at Scottish Games, as it is likely the colors will be paraded. I figure if the Corps says I can do it, I earned them, and I will wear them.

I now return you to your regularly schedule thread.

[creagdhubh]

Ah yes, but the rabble, in our own circuitous way did ascertain the correct answer to the question in a gentlemanly manner. One of the finer features of XMarks.

Hear, hear...well stated, and I might add, gentlemanly is a key word.

Kind regards,

[Fitzy]

A quote from United States Marine Corp Uniform Regulations Paragraph 5105

"1. Decorations, medals, appropriate ribbon bars, or lapel buttons may be worn on civilian clothes at the individual's discretion. Individuals should ensure that the occasion and the manner of wearing will not reflect discredit on the award.

2. Miniature medals may be worn with civilian evening dress..."

I wear minature medals when formal. I wear my ribbon bars and combat aircrew wings at what I consider appropriate occasions. For example, I usually wear either miniature ribbons or full size ribbons at Scottish Games, as it is likely the colors will be paraded. I figure if the Corps says I can do it, I earned them, and I will wear them.

I now return you to your regularly schedule thread.

In looking up the law allowing the saluting of the American flag while in civian attire, I came across this.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theor.../medalwear.htm

I wear my old Battalion (now disbanded) crests on the epaulets of my Argyle jacket, just as I did with my Class A's.

Paul

[Jock Scot]

I say this with the greatest of respect to all, but we have a mixing of cultures here and I am not at all convinced that Scots kilt culture and American military(in a civilian context)culture are mixing well. To me if you are wearing the kilt(tartan) then Scots traditions should prevail lest the accusation of "playing at being a Scot" be levelled at one.

I am not saying for one second that one should ignore one's nationality, or your service to one's country and I hope that you all know I am not. But dress as a Scot and follow their dress conventions or dress as an American(jeans and military style shirt/T shirt/whatever?) but I cannot see that the two cultures(in the context of civilian military/American) gel together well in kilt form. In my view, leave the medal ribbons and other military badges at home when wearing the kilt as a civilian, apart from very specific events, like Armistice Day. Sorry.

[ctbuchanan]

I say this with the greatest of respect to all, but we have a mixing of cultures here and I am not at all convinced that Scots kilt culture and American military(in a civilian context)culture are mixing well. To me if you are wearing the kilt(tartan) then Scots traditions should prevail lest the accusation of "playing at being a Scot" be levelled at one.

I am not saying for one second that one should ignore one's nationality, or your service to one's country and I hope that you all know I am not. But dress as a Scot and follow their dress conventions or dress as an American(jeans and military style shirt/T shirt/whatever?) but I cannot see that the two cultures(in the context of civilian military/American) gel together well in kilt form. I my view, leave the medal ribbons and other military badges at home when wearing the kilt as a civilian, apart from very specific events, like Armistice Day. Sorry.

I have the utmost respect for your opinion and understand your point of view about mixing culture but I must disagree. Although I was born in the USA my mother was born in Scotland and my father in York. He served in the Royal Horse Artillery and then the Mounted Section of the Palestine Police from 1932 to 1949, leaving as Assistant Supt of Police in Jerusalem (equiv. to a colonel I believe).

The problem is that we don't wear the kilt as a costume attempting to be Scottish. The kilt, as has been illustrated in thousands of posts on this website, is a "living" garment and can (and in my opinion should) be adapted for use in any culture that those of us of Scots ancestry are found. To say that if we wear the kilt we must wear it according to the custom only of Scotland or the U.K. is, with all due respect, impossible. If a person earns their military credentials here in the USA he/she is perfectly proper in following our customs when wearing the kilt, I can discern no reason why they would be forced to wear them according to only British custom. The codes state that they can be worn with "proper" attire. In my humble opinion nothing could be more proper than the kilt.