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                                                5th August 11, 09:33 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					  Originally Posted by figheadair   Hummmmm. Not sure why that should be. I'll need to check once I'm back on my other machine that let's me onto Photobucket.   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th August 11, 12:47 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Well, McQuarrie were followers of the Lord of the Isles so this might be a McDonald or associated regional or fashion tartan. Looks a bit like MacKintosh too though.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by figheadair   You're on the right track - keep going and tease that thought process out.   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th August 11, 07:31 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Going off down a rabbit hole now..............
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by xman   Well, McQuarrie were followers of the Lord of the Isles so this might be a McDonald or associated regional or fashion tartan. Looks a bit like MacKintosh too though. 
 The aim of these posts is to encourage people to look at what can be discerned from the cloth.
 
				
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                                                6th August 11, 01:32 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Thanks for making me take another look.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by figheadair   The aim of these posts is to encourage people to look at what can be discerned from the cloth. 
 Horizontally, there appears to be two bright red lines on both plaids which may not be part of the sett. I wonder if this is a signature of some kind, like the cloths were woven by the same weaver, or on the same loom.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                6th August 11, 05:18 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	X - you are misreading the cloth. Those stripes appear brighter because they are true colours not half tones. But if you look vertically?????
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by xman   Thanks for making me take another look.
 Horizontally, there appears to be two bright red lines on both plaids which may not be part of the sett. I wonder if this is a signature of some kind, like the cloths were woven by the same weaver, or on the same loom.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                10th August 11, 12:42 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					So what have we got so far?
 
 Two pieces of a similar setting but in different colours.
Both pieces have a herringbone selevdge.
A suggestion that they are from the same era.
The smaller piece is what is now called MacColl
 
 Any more thoughts?
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                25th August 11, 09:22 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Two very similar tartans. One developed into the MacColl tartan. I have a hypothesis that the other one developed into a different named tartan, but I haven't been able to find evidence to back up my hunch. The closest tartans I have been able to find so far are the Robertson/Donachie tartan and the Culloden plaid, not to be confused with the Culloden (coat) tartan. Or maybe it's a highly irregular MacDonald of Sleat.   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th August 11, 06:58 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Similar yes. So much so in fact that I suspect that they are by the same weaver and off the same loom. Your hypothosis is wrong in that the larger piece remains 'unnamed' and has never been adoptd by anyone/developed into something else.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Morris at Heathfield   Two very similar tartans. One developed into the MacColl tartan. I have a hypothesis that the other one developed into a different named tartan, but I haven't been able to find evidence to back up my hunch. The closest tartans I have been able to find so far are the Robertson/Donachie tartan and the Culloden plaid, not to be confused with the Culloden (coat) tartan. Or maybe it's a highly irregular MacDonald of Sleat.   
 I won't be writing these up separately as the two pieces form part of a larger paper that I'm writing but it will take some time to finish. Suffice to say at this stage that the smaller of the two is the oldest/original setting of what is now known as MacColl and that as is so often the case, the modern trade pattern is less subtle in both shades and setting.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th August 11, 08:39 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	That must be a very exciting revelation as you're holding the two cloths in your hand.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by figheadair   ... I suspect that they are by the same weaver and off the same loom. ... 
 Thanks again, Peter. A fascinating bit of information.
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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