The Scots Who Left

[kilted hillbilly]

I must have missed the 'part three' you are referring to. For anyone to say that not many Scots immigrants settled in the south is a gross error. HUGE numbers of Scots and Scots-Irish settled in the south. There are more people in North Carolina with Scots surnames than in all of Scotland. The Scots were a major part of southern and hill country history and were responsible for settling the areas of Tenn, W. Va, Ark, Miss and on into the west. I'm sorry I missed that one or I would have set the record straight right away. Just a quick scan of the officers of the Confederacy would correct that misconception right away.

ct, here is the part I was referring to." While all areas of the US have been affected, much of the dynamic for this new heritage has come from the American South, a region which ironically attracted few direct migrants from Scotland throughout the 19th and 20th centuries".

[macwilkin]

ct, here is the part I was referring to." While all areas of the US have been affected, much of the dynamic for this new heritage has come from the American South, a region which ironically attracted few direct migrants from Scotland throughout the 19th and 20th centuries".

That statement is correct; after the Revolution, there was a significant drop in Highland immigration for a time, due to a fairly strong anti-Highlander bias among the American rebels/patriots, who saw the Highlanders of the Cape Fear River Valley of North Carolina and upstate New York (the two largest Highland settlements) as largely Loyalist in sympathy -- Georgia had anti-Scottish immigration laws on the books at one point, and the Rev. John Witherspoon, himself a Scot, had to convince Jefferson to remove a comment about "foreign and Scotch mercenaries" from the first draft of the Declaration of Independence. One captured Scottish officer told of being physically and verbally abused by American civilians during the Southern Campaign in 1780-1781. All of these things are documented in Szaz's Scots in the North American West, 1790-1917 (University of Oklahoma Press, 2000).

My own Highland ancestors came much later, and instead of heading South, arrived in Canada, dropped down to Ohio and then pushed west to central Iowa, where they settled among a fairly large population of Scots.

T.

[kilted hillbilly]

In response to cajunscots post.^Even better,shows that they were here much earlier than I thought.Thanks for the reply.

[macwilkin]

In response to cajunscots post.^Even better,shows that they were here much earlier than I thought.Thanks for the reply.

Yes, but many of them left for Nova Scotia or other British colonies after the Revolution, given their Loyalist or neutral stance in the recent unpleasantness. As an example, the noted Flora Macdonald returned to Scotland after the Revolution, as her husband was a noted "Tory" that opposed the American cause. That's not to say that all Highlanders left, but the Highland Scottish communities in the former North American colonies suffered quite a bit because of their collective stances during the rebellion.

T.

[kilted hillbilly]

Yes, but many of them left for Nova Scotia or other British colonies after the Revolution, given their Loyalist or neutral stance in the recent unpleasantness. As an example, the noted Flora Macdonald returned to Scotland after the Revolution, as her husband was a noted "Tory" that opposed the American cause. That's not to say that all Highlanders left, but the Highland Scottish communities in the former North American colonies suffered quite a bit because of their collective stances during the rebellion.

T.

I agree. But what about us "Hillbillys",which have been noted for their Irish and Scottish roots? " Between 1715 and 1776 some 250,000 of them arrived, mainly in the Chesapeake Bay region, and settled all along the east coast, particularly in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Virginia, North and South Carolina and later in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and beyond. A second wave of Scottish immigration came during the late 1800's and most of these Scots settled in the northeastern U.S. in the larger industrial cities, and included such worthies as Andrew Carnegie and Alexander Graham Bell."-from ancestry.com
What is meant by "later"? after 1776? Did they settle along the east coast and later move west? Probably.

[macwilkin]

I agree. But what about us "Hillbillys",which have been noted for their Irish and Scottish roots? " Between 1715 and 1776 some 250,000 of them arrived, mainly in the Chesapeake Bay region, and settled all along the east coast, particularly in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Virginia, North and South Carolina and later in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and beyond. A second wave of Scottish immigration came during the late 1800's and most of these Scots settled in the northeastern U.S. in the larger industrial cities, and included such worthies as Andrew Carnegie and Alexander Graham Bell."-from ancestry.com
What is meant by "later"? after 1776? Did they settle along the east coast and later move west? Probably.

But the majority of those folks were Lowlanders and Ulster-Scots. Remember, the Lowlanders and Ulster-Scots had no love for their Highland neighbours. And yes, you are correct about the second wave -- see my family's example that I mentioned in my previous post.

T.

[kilted hillbilly]

check out this link. Not so relevant to this thread but kinda shows how proud many of us are here in Arkansas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...ler_Tartan.png

[macwilkin]

check out this link. Not so relevant to this thread but kinda shows how proud many of us are here in Arkansas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...ler_Tartan.png

Not the official state tartan, though:

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.ne...x?entryID=2342

I knew Frank and Barbara Brandon, who were responsible for the design and adoption of said Arkansas tartan. But the "Traveler" tartan is nice as well.

T.

[luath]

check out this link. Not so relevant to this thread but kinda shows how proud many of us are here in Arkansas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...ler_Tartan.png

You're doing a good job of selling Arkansas to this Scotsman as a holiday destination!

[ctbuchanan]

The key phrase seems to be "direct" migrants. For as most of us know, the Uslter-Scots or Scots-Irish came and settled in the south in large numbers. But many came before the 19th and 20th centuries.

And many of these Scots-Irish came down out of the hills and were responsible for important victories against the English during the rebellion.