Tartan Kilt for Vegans

[cmacra28]

Hi I'm new to Xers. Found it by google-ing "vegan kilt", but it only referred to kilt belt leather alternatives, which I think we can source from Melbourne.

Both myself and my eldest son have kilts passed down fro my father. My second son (a skinny 6ft 3inch redhead) is a vegan and would not accept a wool kilt. Does anyone know where we can obtain a polyester/cotton kilt in our clan tartan (McNicol)? Given Andrew's height it may be necessary to order to size, but where from? I've been searching the net for a couple of years for this and even asked a few outlets when visiting Scotland last year.

PS we're in Australia.

Chris

[Dale Seago]

Both myself and my eldest son have kilts passed down fro my father. My second son (a skinny 6ft 3inch redhead) is a vegan and would not accept a wool kilt.

Not being vegan myself, why is that an issue? Wool is a "animal product", yes, but it's also a "renewable resource" in that the animals don't have to be killed or harmed in order to get it: Basically they just give the sheep a haircut, and it grows back.

I'm asking from simple ignorance and curiosity.

[davidg]

Basically they just give the sheep a haircut, and it grows back.

And if I remember correctly is actually beneficial to the sheep. However, to answer the question

Polyester Cotton is not really viable for a kilt, but Polyester Viscose is. But beware, there are also Acrylic kilts around that originate from Pakistan. These kilts are cheap but the quality can be inconsistent, ranging from OK to downright awful, and the marketing used usually attempts to deceive you that it is a Scottish cloth and garment. Be careful who you buy from

The only good quality Polyester Viscose I am aware of is made by Marton Mills in England. They supply kilt makers worldwide so there should be no problem in getting a kilt made to measure, although the tartan range is a little limited compared to pure wool

I have no idea about kilt makers in Australia but there are certainly kilt makers on this forum who could make you the kilt you require. If you find someone more local to you, just make sure you insist on proper Polyester Viscose, not cheap acrylic

I am sure some of our Australian members will be able to jump in and help a bit more

[Meggers]

Acrylic kilts around that originate from Pakistan. These kilts are cheap but the quality can be inconsistent, ranging from OK to downright awful, and the marketing used usually attempts to deceive you that it is a Scottish cloth and garment. Be careful who you buy from

LOL...my poor sweetheart is going to be so upset to hear this. Pakistani boy who has developed an inkling for a kilt.

[piperdbh]

LOL...my poor sweetheart is going to be so upset to hear this. Pakistani boy who has developed an inkling for a kilt.

[slight threadjcak]Tell him to get one here. He'll be much happier with the finished product.[/slight threadjack]

Back to the OT:
We vegans have different definitions of veganism, different "degrees" of it, and different reasons for it. Some of us are "this way" for health reasons, some for ethical ones, and others for their own reasons. Try PMing Steve Ashton (or click on the Freedom Kilts logo above) and ask him about your tartan woven in PV.

[T-Bone]

Not being vegan myself, why is that an issue? Wool is a "animal product", yes, but it's also a "renewable resource" in that the animals don't have to be killed or harmed in order to get it: Basically they just give the sheep a haircut, and it grows back.

I'm asking from simple ignorance and curiosity.

I would also like to know, having the same view as Dale.

Poly viscose (PV) would be a good choice for the kilted vegan, as it is made from plant cellulose.

[Jay]

All good advice.

I can understand why the young lad won't wear wool and fully support his reasons for doing so. I will say that sometimes you can bend the rules. In this case it's an heirloom kilt so no sheep were harmed within his lifetime. Think of the 3 R's of recycling.


If this kilt can't be altered to fit, then go for a PV.

[cmacra28]

Thanks to all for your input. I've now got a few ideas to follow up. To clarify - Andrew's preference as a vegan is not to capitalise on products originating from animals, eg honey from bees is out of the question.

Anyway, thanks all.

[CDNSushi]

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[Mael Coluim]

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