Skirting Obscenity

**Woodsman** · 27th October 11, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Adrian

For those of you who did not find Miss scotland in a kilt here are the links for the golf and also todays

http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...-of-clubs.html

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...d-gunners.html

Length of her mini kilts seems about right without it being ridiculously short

there's another photo of Jennifer tossing a caber in a different, earth tones kilt. I am unable to post a link now from my phone. I was wondering if anyone knew the tartan?

**Bugbear** · 27th October 11, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Damocles

you are correct the only perportion bigger on woman is her pelvis

Yes. When you start adding soft tissue... whole different story, though. So very thin leg muscles could make a leg look longer and so on. I have a bunch of plastic models of animels
and so on to use when sculpting, but I usually take lots of measurements of the different sections of the model and look at the ratios.

**cruiser348** · 27th October 11, 11:11 AM

This may be an overly simplified concept from an overly simplified mind when it comes to tailoring, but what about making a "proof of concept" when she is available for measurements. Measure what she says is the length she wants, cut a piece of cheap fabric at that length and have her pin it on to see how it works. That would let you, and her see in real life how that length would work without sacrificing expensive fabric or loads of sewing time. This may not help with the concept of needing to taper the back for modesty's sake but at least you would have the jumping off point.

**GoodGirlGonePlaid** · 27th October 11, 11:20 AM

That does seem a bit short.
My kilts are about 14.5-15 in total length, low waist. But I'm 5'2". They're short, but respectable.

But if she's a slender 5'9" she's probably got great stems that can pull off "a belt"

...and if it does end up being too short, she can always wear tights.
opaque tights=magic.

I don't know why this skirt is on backwards, but it's really short, on a size 10 woman, worn with tights, and looks good!

http://www.etsy.com/listing/81877426...facet=handmade

**Pleater** · 27th October 11, 02:38 PM

I still have some mini skirts too good to throw away, made of good quality sueded leather.

They would each make quite a good handbag.

The backs are an inch and a half longer than the fronts at the top and curve down to add another inch at the bottom. That is when holding the skirt taut at the top - I'll not get into those again.

It is not uncommon (this being a holiday area) to see women wearing shorts which are obviously new, bought for the holiday, which should really be a good two inches longer at the back.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

**CopperNGold** · 27th October 11, 04:37 PM

Your friends knows what she wants, and if you wish to keep her as a friend, I would erase the words 'obscene' or 'obscenity' before speaking to her about it. Her taste in clothing may be completely different from your own, and she could be easily offended.

The idea of having her send a skirt of the length she wishes you to make could solve the problem, and then you can decide whether you wish to continue with the job.

**Dixiecat** · 27th October 11, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC

Alan is totally correct in his making a skirt for a girl shape. It's called slope.

I do this to every kilt I make. If the customer wears his kilt at full rise the slope is minimal.
But the lower the kilt is worn the more important slope becomes.

This is true for people who have lots of shape too.

A lot of kiltmakers look at me weird when I tell them I put slope in a kilt. They have never heard of it before. But if you look at the kilts in the photo that goes around the forum from "The Windsor Style" of the kilts hanging in the closet you will see slope in them.

If my explanation of slope is still not making sense simply put on a pair of jeans and stand sideways in front of a mirror. You will see that the waistband is significantly higher in the back than in the front. This is slope.

Yes, waist slope or tilt is very common. It can consist of several things, extra length to go over curves, how the body bends in front, how the abdomen is shaped and of course, fashion.

I would say that 98% of people will tilt forwards. Men with full abdomens who wear their belts under the abdomen will have a steeper tilt which is why you'd want to tell your kiltmaker how you wear your kilt. A skirt of someone with a full backside might look like it tilted, but the extra height in the back is the extra length needed to go over the backside.

When I drafted custom sewing patterns we used quite a few measurements for skirts. Front, back and side waist measured to the floor and to the knee, were the most useful not only for finding the waist tilt, but for hem positioning.

To get these measurements, tie a string around the waist or where you'd like the waist to be, measure to the floor or to the knee at the front, back and side seam.

**Alan H** · 27th October 11, 06:35 PM

Regarding slope....intuitively it seems like kind of a no-brainer for a pretty experienced kiltmaker to work that into a solid color, or random-pattern kilt.

However, my two experiences with trying to make a good looking tartan kilt like this were...uh.... "trying" to say the least. I did it, and they looked fine but it wasn't easy.