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13th December 11, 03:46 PM
#1
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
I've been looking over D. C. Lau's introductory discussions in his translation of,
The Analects, of Confucius (Penguin, 1979), and I see what Peter is talking about; Confucius has a great deal of discussion of the "gentleman": eighty or so chapters, Lau says. A rather large lump of text..., but I'll put it on the reading list; I've been needing to get around to it, anyway.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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13th December 11, 07:35 PM
#2
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
A Gentleman...
Knows that Honor is a two edged sword and the sharper edge is always the one facing him
Deals in hard knocks and careful courtesy, nothing in between
Knows that poise is in the art of raising the eyebrow and not the roof
Knows all the rules of polite society and knows when they should be followed religiously and when they need to be set aside out of neccessity.
Treats all with respect and expects to be treated with respect by all
Can ride, dance, sing, fence, and shoot
Knows how to enjoy a fine vintage wine in august company as well as lemonade from a child's sidewalk stand
Knows how to dress well and knows that clothes can reflect the man, but most importantly knows that they certainly do not make the man
Is polite and well spoken
Knows how to trust and is trustworthy
Offers insult very rarely and never accidentally
Is kind to animals and careful with machinery
Is quick to sincerely apologize when at fault
Is the one who will always stand for their turn at the wheel, and more if needed
When the subject of Service comes up they think first of their obligations to serve instead of other's obligations to serve them
Keeps calm and always can be counted to carry on
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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13th December 11, 07:50 PM
#3
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by Bugbear
It's not Confucius, but I suppose "gentleman" could be substituted in to this; hope it's all right to quote.
1. The skilful traveller leaves no traces of his wheels or footsteps; the skilful speaker says nothing that can be found fault with or blamed; the skilful reckoner uses no tallies; the skilful closer needs no bolts or bars, while to open what he has shut will be impossible; the skilful binder uses no strings or knots, while to unloose what he has bound will be impossible. In the same way the sage is always skilful at saving men, and so he does not cast away any man; he is always skilful at saving things, and so he does not cast away anything. This is called 'Hiding the light of his procedure.'
2. Therefore the man of skill is a master (to be looked up to) by him who has not the skill; and he who has not the skill is the helper of (the reputation of) him who has the skill. If the one did not honour his master, and the other did not rejoice in his helper, an (observer), though intelligent, might greatly err about them. This is called 'The utmost degree of mystery.' (ch. 27)
I'm quoting from the old James Legge translation of Lao-Tze's The Tao Teh King (Project Gutenberg EBook #216).
Indeed it is an old version, but still true to the original meaning (and close to my heart). Thank you Ted. I do love my Classical Taoists. ith:
 Originally Posted by Panache
A Gentleman...
Knows that Honor is a two edged sword and the sharper edge is always the one facing him
Deals in hard knocks and careful courtesy, nothing in between
Knows that poise is in the art of raising the eyebrow and not the roof
Knows all the rules of polite society and knows when they should be followed religiously and when they need to be set aside out of neccessity.
Treats all with respect and expects to be treated with respect by all
Can ride, dance, sing, fence, and shoot
Knows how to enjoy a fine vintage wine in august company as well as lemonade from a child's sidewalk stand
Knows how to dress well and knows that clothes can reflect the man, but most importantly knows that they certainly do not make the man
Is polite and well spoken
Knows how to trust and is trustworthy
Offers insult very rarely and never accidentally
Is kind to animals and careful with machinery
Is quick to sincerely apologize when at fault
Is the one who will always stand for their turn at the wheel, and more if needed
When the subject of Service comes up they think first of their obligations to serve instead of other's obligations to serve them
Keeps calm and always can be counted to carry on
Cheers
Jamie
You, sir, continue to score points in my "must buy a drink for" list. (along with Ted on his last post). Being a Chap and a Gent is at least as much a duty as it is a "perk".
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31st December 11, 10:55 PM
#4
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by artificer
Indeed it is an old version, but still true to the original meaning (and close to my heart). Thank you Ted. I do love my Classical Taoists.  ith:...
Wasn't sure I should explain this, but... I was inspired to read Tao Teh King or Te Ching by a soldier friend who was also a Taoist. He passed away not too long after. The Legge translation was the most readily available to me at the time, though I have several other translations now. The Legge translation is associated with the friend and time, to me.
Last edited by Bugbear; 31st December 11 at 11:12 PM.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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13th December 11, 07:52 PM
#5
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
Very nice Jamie.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Boldhighlander for starting this thread and all who "contributed".
It has been on my mind quite a bit for these last couple of days and caused me to think twice about how I acted and reacted in my day to day dealings with my coworkers.
It has been a great reminder of the kind of person I think I should be and I hope that as we inevitably move on to other discussions, I won't forget what has been brought to mind here.
Thanks again.
Gary
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13th December 11, 09:26 PM
#6
Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by gpmeakin
Very nice Jamie.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Boldhighlander for starting this thread and all who "contributed".
It has been on my mind quite a bit for these last couple of days and caused me to think twice about how I acted and reacted in my day to day dealings with my coworkers.
It has been a great reminder of the kind of person I think I should be and I hope that as we inevitably move on to other discussions, I won't forget what has been brought to mind here.
Thanks again.
Gary
Well said! ...and I have been doing the same, though I expect the results and outcome of our thoughts might be a bit different. But then, if we were all the same, think how boring it would be!
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13th December 11, 09:50 PM
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Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by Panache
A Gentleman...
Is...careful with machinery
I guess that leaves me and my nine and a half fingers out then. Might as well go kick an old lady across the street!
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14th December 11, 12:18 AM
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Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by MeghanWalker
While it may seem silly and "uncool" to the male youth of today, nothing is more attracted to a well brought-up woman than a well brought-up man. I hope to raise a very polite and kind young man and even though some girls may tease him, the women who will truly matter will be the ones who will cherish those qualities and vise versa.

 Originally Posted by gpmeakin
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Boldhighlander for starting this thread and all who "contributed".
It was my pleasure Gary, and thank you,Jamie (& everyone else), for your earlier contribution! 
 Originally Posted by Alan H
Well said! ...and I have been doing the same, though I expect the results and outcome of our thoughts might be a bit different. But then, if we were all the same, think how boring it would be!
Hear! Hear!
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31st December 11, 12:57 PM
#9
One addition to my "Rules of the Gentleman"
In light of the "Alternative to Gentleman" thread I would like to offer an addition to my personal "rules"
Here is my original set
 Originally Posted by Panache
A Gentleman...
Knows that Honor is a two edged sword and the sharper edge is always the one facing him
Deals in hard knocks and careful courtesy, nothing in between
Knows that poise is in the art of raising the eyebrow and not the roof
Knows all the rules of polite society and knows when they should be followed religiously and when they need to be set aside out of neccessity.
Treats all with respect and expects to be treated with respect by all
Can ride, dance, sing, fence, and shoot
Knows how to enjoy a fine vintage wine in august company as well as lemonade from a child's sidewalk stand
Knows how to dress well and knows that clothes can reflect the man, but most importantly knows that they certainly do not make the man
Is polite and well spoken
Knows how to trust and is trustworthy
Offers insult very rarely and never accidentally
Is kind to animals and careful with machinery
Is quick to sincerely apologize when at fault
Is the one who will always stand for their turn at the wheel, and more if needed
When the subject of Service comes up they think first of their obligations to serve instead of other's obligations to serve them
Keeps calm and always can be counted to carry on
To which I would add "A Gentleman...
always keeps a healthy sense of humor and perspective
Cheers
Jamie
-See it there, a white plume
Over the battle - A diamond in the ash
Of the ultimate combustion-My panache
Edmond Rostand
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31st December 11, 01:08 PM
#10
Re: One addition to my "Rules of the Gentleman"
 Originally Posted by Panache
...
To which I would add "A Gentleman...
always keeps a healthy sense of humor and perspective
Cheers
Jamie
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