Clergy Kilt?

[biblemonkey]

Time to throw out a bunch of if's.

If we so happen to go through with this plan of designing a tartan
If we recruit the help of Matt
If there is any need for some sort of in-person visit for whatever reason

I'd offer to do it as I'm only about 1.5 hours away. That is, unless someone is closer or just really wanted to do it. Again, I have no idea as to this whole process...maybe, as I believe was suggested, we should ask around with some of the Lovecraft fellows.

I have PM'd Matt for a basic rundown of cost/timing/steps/involvement just to see what it would take. Sort of a "feeler" to see if it would even be feasable with the type of intrest garnered so far. I'll be posting another thread with his sugesstions and a poll to see if it's even thinkable.

[Mike_Oettle]

A correction here: while I do own the first kilt made in Mighty Men tartan, I had no part in the design.
I am sorry to learn that Hugh does not like it. It is rather bright, but that becomes a talking point – people ask what it means, and I am able to tell a gospel story by just explaining the colours.
And since it incorporates green, red, black, purple and silver, I can wear any of those colours with it – it gives me quite a bit of leeway while still matching!
As has been said, there are a good many tartans Hugh could look at before committing himself to a new design.
He has not said what denomination he belongs to, but there are Anglican/Episcopalian tartans, Presbyterian setts, two for the Salvation Army, one each for the Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostalists, and a number that could be regarded as Roman Catholic.
The Earl of St Andrews tartan is one I quite fancy. The cathedral town of St Andrews is so named because relics of the saint are buried there. (I wear a St Andrew bonnet badge, but that is the closest I have got to St Andrews so far.)
Hugh also mentioned the tartan that shows a saltire across the back of the kilt. This is Saltire, from the House of Edgar – I would regard it more as symbolic of Scotland than of the Christian Faith, but one could treat it as being Christian, too.
The Clergy tartan is one of a whole suite of related tartans that can be regarded as either occupational (ordained clergy) or name (Clark, Clarke, Clerk, Clerke, Priest, Bishop, MacVicar, MacVicker). But if you don’t have a connection to any of those names and are not ordained, I would recommend against adopting them.
Regards,
Mike

[biblemonkey]

A correction here: while I do own the first kilt made in Mighty Men tartan, I had no part in the design.
I am sorry to learn that Hugh does not like it. It is rather bright, but that becomes a talking point – people ask what it means, and I am able to tell a gospel story by just explaining the colours.
And since it incorporates green, red, black, purple and silver, I can wear any of those colours with it – it gives me quite a bit of leeway while still matching!
As has been said, there are a good many tartans Hugh could look at before committing himself to a new design.
He has not said what denomination he belongs to, but there are Anglican/Episcopalian tartans, Presbyterian setts, two for the Salvation Army, one each for the Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostalists, and a number that could be regarded as Roman Catholic.
The Earl of St Andrews tartan is one I quite fancy. The cathedral town of St Andrews is so named because relics of the saint are buried there. (I wear a St Andrew bonnet badge, but that is the closest I have got to St Andrews so far.)
Hugh also mentioned the tartan that shows a saltire across the back of the kilt. This is Saltire, from the House of Edgar – I would regard it more as symbolic of Scotland than of the Christian Faith, but one could treat it as being Christian, too.
The Clergy tartan is one of a whole suite of related tartans that can be regarded as either occupational (ordained clergy) or name (Clark, Clarke, Clerk, Clerke, Priest, Bishop, MacVicar, MacVicker). But if you don’t have a connection to any of those names and are not ordained, I would recommend against adopting them.
Regards,
Mike

Thanks Mike,

I am waiting on info from Matt Newsome about the basics of the massive undertaking of creating a new tartan. I will then post the answers in a new thread with a poll to see how much interest there is and if there is little to none I will look into other tartans (albeit a little sad that such a collaborative effort was abandoned) but that's getting ahead of myself. I guess we will see what we will see.

Hugh

P.S. This has been a wonderful thread with so much varied advice and discussion...and no COOLING OFF CORNER! That more than almost anything else contained herein warms my heart.

[davidlpope]

Thanks Mike,

I am waiting on info from Matt Newsome about the basics of the massive undertaking of creating a new tartan. I will then post the answers in a new thread with a poll to see how much interest there is and if there is little to none I will look into other tartans (albeit a little sad that such a collaborative effort was abandoned) but that's getting ahead of myself. I guess we will see what we will see.

Hugh

P.S. This has been a wonderful thread with so much varied advice and discussion...and no COOLING OFF CORNER! That more than almost anything else contained herein warms my heart.

I think you'll find that it's not that massive. You simply determine the thread count, choose thread colors (unless you want the mill to do this), have everyone pony up their money, and call Ken Dalgliesh/Scotweb to have him weave it.

The harder bit, though, is coming up with a good design. The relative ease of custom-woven tartan has resulted in the creation of some pretty heinous setts. On the other hand,if you put thought into it and have someone with experience helping, you can end up with a really stunning finished product.

Best of luck.

[artificer]

I think you'll find that it's not that massive. You simply determine the thread count, choose thread colors (unless you want the mill to do this), have everyone pony up their money, and call Ken Dalgliesh/Scotweb to have him weave it.

The harder bit, though, is coming up with a good design. The relative ease of custom-woven tartan has resulted in the creation of some pretty heinous setts. On the other hand,if you put thought into it and have someone with experience helping, you can end up with a really stunning finished product.

Best of luck.

Only one problem with this, David. Dalgliesh is now only taking trade orders. They'll have to find a kilt-maker or similar who will order it for them.

ith:

[JRB]

Thanks Mike,

I am waiting on info from Matt Newsome about the basics of the massive undertaking of creating a new tartan. I will then post the answers in a new thread with a poll to see how much interest there is and if there is little to none I will look into other tartans (albeit a little sad that such a collaborative effort was abandoned) but that's getting ahead of myself. I guess we will see what we will see.

Hugh

I'm interested in how this turns out. Just remember as you embark on your design...WWJW (What would Jesus weave?)

[davidg]

Only one problem with this, David. Dalgliesh is now only taking trade orders. They'll have to find a kilt-maker or similar who will order it for them.

ith:

I may be wrong but I don't think so. Orders can be placed through Scotweb for all Dalgleish products if you are a consumer

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I may be wrong but I don't think so. Orders can be placed through Scotweb for all Dalgleish products if you are a consumer

Partly correct. D. C. Dalgliesh, Ltd, is now only taking trade orders. Scotweb is one retail business through whom you can purchase Dalgliesh cloth. Both Dalgliesh and Scotweb are owned by Nick Fiddes, but he is operating them as two separate businesses.

So, while if you look on the Dalgliesh web site for information about retail orders, you will be directed to Scotweb, there are in fact other retailers who can provide Dalgliesh cloth. For example, you can also order through the STM Gift shop.

Point being, though, you will have to order through a retailer, rather than through Dalgliesh directly.

[Mickey]

I am an ordained protestant clergy guy. Having read through the posts, I am with Fr. Bill, Jock and Matt. I think the clergy tartan is best worn by those ordained by the church.

Ordained by which church? There are a lot of faiths out there. Where does one draw the line? Can a Rabbi wear the clergy tartan?

[lukeyrobertson]

Hi Mickey, I'm ordained in the United Church of Canada, a union of Methodist/Presbyterian/Congregational churches in 1925 (I hold an undergraduate and a graduate degree). I can't speaK for the Rabbinical folks, but I can't see why not. The roles of both pastor and rabbi are similar across the traditions. I'm sure there are others who can reply to your question with more awareness than I can.