Clergy Kilt?

**Java** · 20th December 11, 03:30 PM

Well done, Todd! You managed to put into words exactly what I had been chasing around in the back of my mind. Based on when and where it was diesigned, it is understandable for one to assume it was meant for Christian clergy (and at the time it might have been). So are we going to go with what was probably the intended meaning, or the actual definition of clergy, which would include all faiths?

As for the original question, I think to wear it or not to wear it is up to you. All of the tartans I "wouldn't wear" (service branch, law enforcement, firefighter, etc.) out of repect, are fairly distinctive. To my mind most that seemed to recognize it at all would probably ask you if you're a Clark.
For the record, I'm a pastor, and one of my next couple of tartan kilts will be a clergy. :mrgreen:

**Father Bill** · 20th December 11, 03:31 PM

Recognizing that I have every reason to be accused of bias in this particular discussion, I guess I wonder why we so often argue about who can wear what. I think that the obvious names of things are generally understood. We can (and do) argue over the meanings of words, but we also know what they mean; it seems that we just like to stre-e-e-etch the meanings to get what we want, even when we know we may not exactly fit the normal definition, now, don't we?

Personally, I think that pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Bhuddist clerics are clerics, just not working for the same head office as I do, so I understand when they wear clergy tartan. I also include deacons and maybe other ministers of various sorts, and to be honest I don't precisely know where I draw the line, but I do know there is one, and in finding our own personal line, we need to use common sense... and common meanings of words without re-writing the language.

Personally, I didn't get Clergy Tartan until I was an ordained priest, and there are an awful lot more to which I feel I have no right, and therefore wouldn't wear, but that was my interpretation. Others need to choose what the word "clergy" means, without getting either overly hysterical or historical. There's my tuppence!

**Burly Brute** · 20th December 11, 03:43 PM

Is it just me or is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room and the most obvious answer????

Seek ordination...boom...solved.

All fooling aside, I would be down for aiding in the production of a "general, Christ-follower" tartan.

**McClef** · 21st December 11, 03:56 AM

Yes but you can get ordained on line in the ULC!

**Father Bill** · 21st December 11, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by McClef

Yes but you can get ordained on line in the ULC!

Which is the point I made earlier. We KNOW what "ordained" means, but we also know that there are folks (not you personally McClef) who stretch the meaning to fit their wishes... like the OnLine Church of let's-make-a-buck. (This isn't my priestly side speaking so much as my former-English-teacher side that hates to see the meanings of words gerrimandered.)

**McClef** · 21st December 11, 06:03 AM

Well I confess I once clicked on their site and it ordained me!

But I don't make any use of my status!

**auld argonian** · 21st December 11, 06:07 AM

Hey, man! I sent in my $19.95 to that ad in the back of the Roling Stone back in the 70's and got my certification.

Best

AA

**biblemonkey** · 21st December 11, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitpete

Biblemonkey,

Please, I am not questioning whether there is a need for another Christian tartan, only that in the quote I was responding to was suggesting that there were already enough tartans for another religion and that the Clergy tartan was not appropriate for an ordained cleric of another faith. It wasn't the need I was questioning. It was the logic of that specific arguement.

Personally, I don't have a 'dog in this fight' and not to say it is a fight in any sense of the word--just a turn of phrase. I do not however really understand the idea that the tartans suggested in this post with existing Christian representation or meaning to them are not somehow able to be universally accepted by all Christian sects universally. But please, this is only my own personal lack of understanding and do not expect or desire a hijack of this thread in order to clarify this point to me. I'll read along and see if it makes more sense to me later.

Again, kilt on! and Design on!

Hey, No prob. Thanks for clarifying.

**biblemonkey** · 21st December 11, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Burly Brute

Is it just me or is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room and the most obvious answer????

Seek ordination...boom...solved.

All fooling aside, I would be down for aiding in the production of a "general, Christ-follower" tartan.

But seriously, there is a thread concerning the interest in creating this tartan elsewhere on the board entitled, "Do you want this tartan?".

**artificer** · 21st December 11, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by auld argonian

Hey, man! I sent in my $19.95 to that ad in the back of the Roling Stone back in the 70's and got my certification.

Best

AA

The Dudeists and Pastafarians give their ordinations away free online. You only need to pay if you want the notarized legal certificate in order to perform wedding/funerary services.

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