Food For Thought

[Father Bill]

Much appreciated my Never-Met Friend, and by the way - every blessing as you come now to Christmas Eve!

Bill+

[RockyR]

My suggestion to Rocky's #1 in red..

I specifically wanted to leave it as "kilt" in case anyone HAD worn a non tartan non wool kilt.

[auld argonian]

Actually, the Mead Effect is sort of related to the effect that Heisenberg postulated but has its basis more in sociological surveys.

The basic problem, as I understand it, is that your subjects are going to tell you something other than the truth based on their perceptions of what you want to hear.

Just a fast quote from a site that I found on a quick search about it:

"Mead’s preposterous distortion of Samoan culture is in part traceable to the adolescents who were Mead’s informants. Mead’s unceasingly prurient fascination with their sex lives apparently led these girls to make up the sorts of stories that they sensed Mead wanted to hear. So the girls tried to please Mead, who, in turn, was trying to please Boas, and the result was junk social science. In the end, Mead is unmasked as a dupe and a fraud. For his part, Boas was uncritically enthusiastic in his acceptance of whatever his students brought him that flattered his political prejudices."

http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode12.htm

So it's more of a situation where people try to cater to your interest or spare your feelings when you're asking then to give you the objective truth. Sort of how you would talk about someone if they were in the room rather than how you would if they weren't there.

Some of our Scottish colleagues have expressed their observation that the Scots tend to stoically bite their tongues when they see an outlander affecting their style of dress...thus, if you were present for "round two", the results might be skewed. The Heisenberg thing, as I understand it, is based more on the presence of a physical object, the observer, having an effect on a phenomena on a physics level...the Mead thing is the same sort of effect only on an inter-personal way.

Best

AA

[Father Bill]

AA - I sit corrected! (I can't type standing up! )

Thank you for your enlightenment on that, and every blessing for the Christmas season!

Bill+

[Jaggy thistle]

Hi Jock
Thanks for posting this it was very interesting the next time I have enough friends in we will have a go at the quiz I think however that the answers will be different!! as I move in a different circle Regarding wearing the kilt when young in the late 50 s early 60s I also had to visit my mother in the Victoria Infirmary and got nothing but good comments about it for a time about then I did not own a pair of good trousers

[Jack Daw]

Jock, I was surprised by the response to #5. I didn't know the kilt was worn THAT much! As for the other answers, as you said, they are old (and things change)!

[Jock Scot]

Jock, I was surprised by the response to #5. I didn't know the kilt was worn THAT much! As for the other answers, as you said, they are old (and things change)!

I don't Know why you are surprised JD, "The Gang of 9" are just like many of you in the USA, they come home from a days work, they change out of their work clothes, climb into something that is more comfortable to relax, watch TV, read a book, mow the lawn, go to the pub, take the wife out to dinner, whatever and as we all know the kilt is the perfect attire for those kind of things and, er, well, the Scots found all that out rather a long time ago!

"The Gang of 9" are undoubtedly old and it will be interesting to see what answers the younger generation come up with. I could be very wrong here, but I think that many of you may be surprised at the answers given and I suspect(not predict!) that they will not be that much different to "The Gang of 9". However, as Tam so rightly points out, it does depend on who you ask and his "group" may well come up with very a different set of answers. So. We shall see!!!!!!!

[Steve Barclay]

Well actually Jeff the question would have been asked, but we ran out of time!

There were four questions that were not asked and out of interest they were:-

What kind of head wear would you consider appropriate to be worn, as a civilian, when wearing the kilt?(TICK AS MANY AS YOU LIKE).
A) Balmoral.
B) Glengarry.
C) Deer Stalker/Fore 'n Aft.
D) Flat tweed cap.
E) Base ball Cap.
F) Panama.
G) Other.


What kilt jacket do you wear to a FORMAL kilted wedding (NOT a principal guest)?(TICK ONE ONLY)
A) Tweed day jacket.
B) Prince Charlie.
C) Black barathea silver/black buttoned Argyll(day jacket).
D) Other.
NOTE FOR XMARKERS: The Wedding service is normally, in the UK, over by about 1700 Hrs..


What Kilt Jacket would you wear to a "normal" wedding (NOT a principal guest)?(TICK ONE ONLY)
A) Back barathea silver/black buttoned day jacket.
B) Black ,or, grey tweed day jacket.
C) Tweed day jacket other than black ,or, grey.
D) PC.
E) Other.


What would you consider the most versatile Kilt Jacket in your wardrobe?(TICK ONE ONLY)
A) Black barathea Argyll.
B) An evening "dress" jacket other than a PC.
C) PC.
D) Tweed Argyll.(day jacket)


I would not presume to know the answers that might have been given, but there is nothing to stop you all from answering them. THEN try to answer them again imagining you are a traditional Scot and see if your answers are the same!

For me:-

Question 1- A & C
Question 2- C
Question 3- C
Question 4- D

Interestingly I attended Ashbourne Highland games in the summer and wore a 'Fore and Aft, and was scoffed at by a native weegie (who was dressed in evening attire even though it was the afternoon- cheek )

[Steve Barclay]

I don't Know why you are surprised JD, "The Gang of 9" are just like many of you in the USA, they come home from a days work, they change out of their work clothes, climb into something that is more comfortable to relax, watch TV, read a book, mow the lawn, go to the pub, take the wife out to dinner, whatever and as we all know the kilt is the perfect attire for those kind of things and, er, well, the Scots found all that out rather a long time ago!

"The Gang of 9" are undoubtedly old and it will be interesting to see what answers the younger generation come up with. I could be very wrong here, but I think that many of you may be surprised at the answers given and I suspect(not predict!) that they will not be that much different to "The Gang of 9". However, as Tam so rightly points out, it does depend on who you ask and his "group" may well come up with very a different set of answers. So. We shall see!!!!!!!

I must admit I'm surprised too- pleasantly so!

[Jock Scot]

For me:-

Question 1- A & C
Question 2- C
Question 3- C
Question 4- D

Interestingly I attended Ashbourne Highland games in the summer and wore a 'Fore and Aft, and was scoffed at by a native weegie (who was dressed in evening attire even though it was the afternoon- cheek )

Gosh you crossed swords with the L.S.K.E.(Weegie Division)! The most awful branch of the K.K.! They not only dress by example and most dangerous of all they have the accent to give weight to their opinions and no doubt about it, has passed out with flying colours from the G.G.B.S.D.! --------If only they knew!


Note:-

L.S.K.E. = Lowland Scots Kilt Expert.
K.K= Kilt Kops.
G.G.B.S.D.= Glasgow Gun Boat School of Diplomacy.