An Open Question for 'Jock Scot' (and Scots)

**Detroitpete** · 10th January 12, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

So when do we leave? Also I don't drink scotch, eat haggis, or fish. I will, however, take pleasure in seeing Jock Scot*.

*go loony at the mere sight of me and my full-face rubber chicken sporran.

Is the chicken wearing a flat cap and white kilt hose?????

**ccga3359** · 10th January 12, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitpete

Is the chicken wearing a flat cap and white kilt hose?????

Of course not. That would just be silly.

**piperdbh** · 10th January 12, 04:08 PM

No, Pete. It's wearing Grant.

**Lyle1** · 10th January 12, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

The poster quoted above you had some great advice.

Encouraging and tolerating different opinions runs the risk of encountering opinions you personally do not agree with. Ain't life grand?!

Hearing different points of view is enlightening, and we all have the right to have and express our own opinions, but it should be done in a manner that does not belittle the opinions with which we do not agree. We seem not to have a problem expressing opinions on this forum, but we could use some work on the respect part.

**Detroitpete** · 10th January 12, 04:37 PM

This thread has reminded me of something as it has distilled down to a simple point, in my thinking. It is the search for authenticity. I find this interesting because the only thing one can be 'authentically' is one's self.

**Lyle1** · 10th January 12, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by BCAC

we're just trying to understand you people doing something that we just don't feel the need to do.

I think, maybe, you touched on the main point of the issue, understanding one another's needs. You do not share our needs, and based on comments made many times on this forum, it is clear that there are a lot of misconceptions about the American perspective. That Scots don't understand our perspective is probably normal; even we don't have it all figured out. I don't ask that any Scot agree with our perspective, but I do get a little tired of the sniping from perhaps a half dozen or so Scottish members.

**Father Bill** · 10th January 12, 05:29 PM

Yes. It's not the stating of opinions, it's when it's repeated and seemingly directed that it starts to hurt, and yes, that is sniping. This is not the first time that certain vocabulary and expressions have been corrected. I've seen it in at least two other threads that I remember.

So... let's play nicely!

**Jock Scot** · 10th January 12, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lyle1

I think, maybe, you touched on the main point of the issue, understanding one another's needs. You do not share our needs, and based on comments made many times on this forum, it is clear that there are a lot of misconceptions about the American perspective. That Scots don't understand our perspective is probably normal; even we don't have it all figured out. I don't ask that any Scot agree with our perspective, but I do get a little tired of the sniping from perhaps a half dozen or so Scottish members.

I am sorry but I do have to butt in here in spite of me trying to keep out of this thread. OK I have failed!

I think some of you Americans flatter yourselves. Speaking solely for myself I have, until now made a point of using the term of non Scot to specifically avoid the accusation of singling out America. Why? Because American defences instantly go up and ears, eyes and minds are instantly shut. I am sorry but it is true any your post above just proves it. America is not the only place in the world you know and I am very sorry that you consider that you are being singled out for criticism . It is just not true and I am sorry to have to remind you of it.

Now we have another trans-Atlantic problem that was raised a few posts ago and I think by the same person that I actually think does involve North America and this perceived lack respect that bothers some of you over there. Try as I might I choose my words carefully and I take real care to get it right and sometimes an innocent remark that I and indeed others from this side of the Atlantic make that we would not think twice about over here, causes upset over there. Well that is unfortunate and a swift apology is usually all that is necessary to rectify the problem. I can't think of an example but no doubt the same follows in reverse.

So real effort is required from ALL to be understanding and accept that what some one is saying is not quite what you think they are saying. It is difficult, probably very difficult for some, but I really think much of this "respect" issue that we appear to need to improve on is not the problem that some think it is. It is more down to this "common language" that we are trying to communicate civilly and respectfully with to each other.

In passing I think this perceived "sniping" is unhelpful and I don't believe that it is intended at all. But we have to accept that is how some feel, which is unfortunate, and it would be better by far for those feelings not to exist, but when honest views are being voiced and mostly with considerable care then occasionally, yes I mean occasionally, misunderstandings occur, if they do, a civil explanation why this lack of respect has taken place is usually all that is needed. Some how there appears to be an awful lot of overly sensitive people turning up at the moment.

Sorry all, but voicing an opinion and voicing it with care does seem to ruffle some awfully sensitive feathers. Alright perhaps more care needs to be taken, but it does seem to me that there are subjects that unreasonable sensitivities want to prevail. Before anyone says it, yes I do have a habit of voicing minority points of view and yes I do choose my words carefully and yes sometimes I get them wrong.So let us not resort to petty point scoring and look at the wider picture. Please.

**Brett** · 10th January 12, 06:33 PM

I've taken a couple shots at Jock in this thread, but just be perfectly clear, I respect the man sticking to his core feeling on the issue. He's been open to other's insights where he's been asked to and he's clarified his position a few time politely. He's been perfectly open and honest about his not understanding the need some of us feel to "play at being scots" and in the end, there's really nothing wrong with that.

**Peter Crowe** · 10th January 12, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Brett

I've taken a couple shots at Jock in this thread, but just be perfectly clear, I respect the man sticking to his core feeling on the issue. He's been open to other's insights where he's been asked to and he's clarified his position a few time politely. He's been perfectly open and honest about his not understanding the need some of us feel to "play at being scots" and in the end, there's really nothing wrong with that.

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