An Open Question for 'Jock Scot' (and Scots)

**piperdbh** · 10th January 12, 06:46 PM

Is this really worth all the arguing? What's being accomplished here?

**islandkilt** · 10th January 12, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by BCAC

Nope, doesn't detract from my well being one iota. It's not offensive at all. We're not trying to tell you what to do or how to think (we're not that pretentious), we're just trying to understand you people doing something that we just don't feel the need to do.

Really... c'mon... you mean Scotsmen - Highlanders in particular, don't feel a need?? are you telling me you don't all bounce brightly out of bed in the morning and jump - fireman style, into full Highland Scot Regalia, and skip down the stairs playing the pipes on your way to a haggis omelet breakfast at a hand-hewn breakfast table in front of a roaring fire in the great hearth of your grand castle and then stroll merrily across the drawbridge - stopping to give Nessie an affectionate pat on the head, before brightly dancing off to a day of fly fishing, grouse blasting, and dragon slaying?

all at once?

I'm dashed...

it's enough to put me back into pants...

so..now I'm finally old enough, secure enough (financially and psychologically both), don't-give-a-s*** enough, and coaxed (nay, hounded...) by my brother enough to go ahead and throw down a few bucks just so the dolt across the street can say, "nice dress"... and then I find out it's a freakin MINEFIELD....

geez

All my life - ALL of it - since childhood memory, I've been introduced to people who heard my name and asked if I shouldn't be wearing a kilt or did I play the bagpipes.... (or they'd irritatingly accuse me of being Irish...)

Damn if the UPS man didn't answer my wife's queery at the door in a (real)Scottish accent with, "It's a kilt." and follow it up by looking down at the address label and saying, "With a name like that, ye ought to have a kilt or two..." (I told him it's only my second, but my brother has like 12 thousand and he answered, "I've only got one"... so you know who's side HE's on...)

so maybe I felt there was an expectation I'd wear a kilt sooner or later, and in the back of my mind I must have always felt that I would...

I did have the idea (innate knowledge from my upbringing?) that if I were to wear a tartan it should be something i had some sort of association with... by the same token I associated wearing a tartan kilt at all with my Scots ancestry...

so I knew that it would entail a certain amount of respect and tradition, words you might think of when thinking of things like, "heritage", and, "ancestry"

but it never much occurred to me that I'd be doing it to honor anybody in particular (well yeah I'm sure Granddad'd be proud of course), or least of all to make some ol' grouse hunter back in the Highlands proud of my accomplishment in donning the cloth of my ancestors... (though at this point I hope he'll take some pleasure in my figuring out where the pleats go...)

So I come to this board (to increase my own knowledge - hell, I've never even been to highland games) and I see... (forgive me) Maloofabus Hindustani Gonzales Mahimda Zing Tao from Deeper Eastern Lower Frackazania... and read of his deep and abiding - perhaps even unnatural, love of his 87 kilts and his obsession with all things Celt...I'm not too far down the evolutionary ladder from those guys with thier Scot-born right to wear the kilt when I instinctively think, "Really??? but why?" of course, I follow that up with what I hope is a more reasonable, 'eh.. why not, have at it...'

so that initial thought comes from my paradigm, or the one I was raised with..

so who am I to deny any of the disciples of Jock Scot-ism - including the great man himself, theirs?

and I absolutely understand it...

and I never took it as anything else but what the quote I quoted above said it was... (didn't take too long to get to that point did it?)

So there.. that's enough..I've had my say and got entertain myself with the sound of my own writing.. if anyone else managed to meander their way through all of that... forgive me my flippancy, I have no intent to offend anybody, I think it's just the Scot in me...

**Woodsheal** · 10th January 12, 09:25 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!

**Micric** · 10th January 12, 09:45 PM

Jock was asked his opinion on something, and he gave his it.
There's nothing to agree or disagree about. His opinion is Still his opinion, and he has every right to it, it is His.

Re. Jock's ( or anyone elses opinion for that matter) we only have two choices;
Like It Or Lump it.
Is it really that hard to understand that an opinion is not up for debate? again, It is His Opinion.

On another note;
Someone a few pages ago said something about an Xlander.....
Well I'm a Yorkshireman, and my parent were as well, and my Grandparents, and so were my Great grandparents. No need to pretend I'm anything else.
(And,...that's why I can be such a crusty old sod at times!!) :-)

Richard.

**auld argonian** · 10th January 12, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

Is this really worth all the arguing? What's being accomplished here?

Very little at this point.

After a week or two of these threads, I'm taking the pledge...no matter how tempting it is to my opinionated, middle aged mind, I am not going to comment on threads of this type ever again. I think it's jolly good of Jock to have done his informal surveys and they are, indeed, food for thought but I think that too many people are reading too much into it and I sincerely hope that Jock isn't thinking "no good deed goes unpunished" right now.

Best

AA

**Downunder Kilt** · 10th January 12, 11:03 PM

The last 2 posts have to be some of the best opinions on this thread. Jock has done a great job with his polls and they were other peoples opinions to questions asked. Jock has his opinions on kilts and who wears them, so do I , so do you. Anyone can justify, or attempt to, as to why they do something. Some will agree, some won't, but to get upset because your justifcation is not understood or agreed with is like the schoolyard cries of "is so, is not"

**Jock Scot** · 11th January 12, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by auld argonian

Very little at this point.

After a week or two of these threads, I'm taking the pledge...no matter how tempting it is to my opinionated, middle aged mind, I am not going to comment on threads of this type ever again. I think it's jolly good of Jock to have done his informal surveys and they are, indeed, food for thought but I think that too many people are reading too much into it and I sincerely hope that Jock isn't thinking "no good deed goes unpunished" right now.

Best

AA

Worry not AA, that is not what I am thinking and never have. Thus far today, my thoughts are concentrated on; "I am not sure that I like this new marmalade and should I have some more toast to confirm my thoughts?"

Decisions decisions, oh what to do?

**Sir William** · 11th January 12, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

...Thus far today, my thoughts are concentrated on; "I am not sure that I like this new marmalade and should I have some more toast to confirm my thoughts?"

Decisions decisions, oh what to do?

I'm thinking we have beat this dead horse to death repeatedly over the last few weeks and its time to bury the poor beast.

**ForresterModern** · 11th January 12, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Worry not AA, that is not what I am thinking and never have. Thus far today, my thoughts are concentrated on; "I am not sure that I like this new marmalade and should I have some more toast to confirm my thoughts?"

Decisions decisions, oh what to do?

There's the Jock we all know and love. Soldier on man, and never let us stand between a man and his marmalade.

By the way, have ye fixed yer defensive perimeter and set yer scouts yet, as the invasion is coming. But now that the element of surprise is lost it may require some more reconnaissance from our standpoint before launching the offensive. Now where did I leave that super secret CIA drone? The spy plane, not the part of the bagpipes.

Best,

jeff

**Sir William** · 11th January 12, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by ForresterModern

There's the Jock we all know and love. Soldier on man, and never let us stand between a man and his marmalade.

By the way, have ye fixed yer defensive perimeter and set yer scouts yet, as the invasion is coming. But now that the element of surprise is lost it may require some more reconnaissance from our standpoint before launching the offensive. Now where did I leave that super secret CIA drone? The spy plane, not the part of the bagpipes.
jeff

I'm a trained Marine so I'm not worried any by a few bits of wire, hungry dogs, Jock's field gun, or the odd explosive or two - save that he might have wired one to a decoy bottle of single malt. Rather than wear a kilt, which will betray me as a non-Scot if I'm spotted, I'll probably dress in tweeds as a deception.