Quote Originally Posted by Rufus
My brother-in-law seems to prefer his waistband rubbing his nipples.
Bwaaahaaahaaahaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "Formal" kilts wear MUCH like the traditionals since the waistband is pleated. They're good and snug around the hips (like traditionals) yet have the low-maintenance of the "Casuals". I would actually measure from the top of the jeans just to be sure.