army rare kilt

[georgeetta]

it may lend to an officer named Murray being Lord George's son being 1st Col of Regt.

[freddie]

I looked at this ebay auction myself and if ever the size 48 comes back in stock I'm having one. I think the modern RRS kilts are 16oz, which is not as heavy as the old army kilts used to be.

[freddie]

i tripped over another cool detail on tartans ..

see tartan called caorse kilt tartan

recorded prior to 1788 it is what I think is Black Watch phila beg work detail kilt ..I heard go rounds about Grenadiers having a red striped phlabeg ..there is mention of the Col Murray giving his plaid as a tartan pattern I guess Lord George's son ..great part it is like the Morrison green I was raised with ..there are sketches of a red striped taratn ..it was alwasy argues discussed amongst the French Indian War reenactor grops folks in USA .

I thought it was a neat disscovery .

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This sounds like the Murray of Atholl tartan.

[OC Richard]

Yes I've come across from time to time books saying that the early philabegs issued in the Black Watch had a red line, and/or that the philamores of the Grenadier Company had a red line.

I don't know what the actual primary source (if any) is for this... however Donald C Stewart in The Setts of the Scottish Tartans has this to say

"We are told by Logan (author of The Scottish Gael 1831) that the 42nd, in his time, were some of them to be seen with a red line in their tartan, the explanation being that this was added by a Murray of Atholl, who commanded the regiment, and made the tartan resemble the Athol. In the Murry tartan that he (Logan) gives the red line is centred in the green, though in the Athol Murray as we know it there is a red line in every green band and also in every other blue."

To the casual observer these tartans look quite different, the Black Watch with the added red line having only single lines while the Athol Murray tartan has a pattern of three red lines.

[georgeetta]

I thought it was a neat discovery, thought I'd share it .

I'd never seen it before, I was famliar with many Scottish items associated with French and Indian War and Revolution units here . I still think a soldier's plaid was discovered in a local dig beneath flood soils . Revolutionary War gear almost appears centuries diff't than the Fr In War gear of necessity ..what was on hand ..I've seen Black Watch/42nd Reg't marked "tomahawks" they were big for a 5'2" guy ! Far as I know Black Watch Regimental documents sank coming back over from the Revolution but there is deatil in the acceptance of tartan about 1730-40's .

looking at tartans is a nice hobby and the story behind it .

I think being a soldier and in regiments is/was a huge boost to the kilt, tartan and preservation of our culture much of interest & new writings "after" that followed .

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[Joe I]

I bought mine for 90L. GBP, but it was way too small. those army guys are skinny!