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10th August 12, 02:32 AM
#11
OK, let's be concise here.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Next, Gaelic culture in the Scottish Highlands came from Ireland, not vicea versa.
Untrue.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Yes, the kilt originates in Scotland, but it is derived from the Irish brat (rhymes with cart, not with cat), which was a cloak.
Completely and utterly untrue.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Celts wore tartan before they ever set foot in the British Isles, and the brats (cloaks) worn by the Irish who founded the Gaelic culture in the Highlands were said to be 'striped', so probably tartan.
Untrue, and I mean, really untrue.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Irish kilts were conceived in the latter part of the 19th century, at the tail end of the celtic revival period, and were originally solid saffron or solid green, to deliberately be different from tartan kilts worn in Scotland.
Pearce's writings give a date of 1900, so, technically, that may place the concept of the Irish kilt in the 20th century.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
There is some irony in this, given that firstly the Scots got tartan from the Irish, and secondly solid colour kilts were once relatively common in Scotland.
Again, untrue. The Scots did not get tartan from the Irish. There were solid color kilts in Scotland, but I would not describe them as commonplace.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
IME it is not popular on a site with SCOT in the name to point out that tartan and clans (but not clan tartans nor kilts) and Gaelic came to Scotland from Ireland, and yet they did. Nor is it popular to say that the first kilts originated by wearing a belt over the top of an Irish cloak, and yet they did.
It's probably unpopular to say these things on here because they are not true.
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
As for whether anyone in Ireland wears a kilt in the present day, probably only for weddings and to play the pipes. So, about as much as in Scotland, really.
Again, untrue. Kilt wearers can be seen everyday in Scotland that are not connected in any way with piping or weddings. What a heap o' kak.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post your academic references. Most of what you say appears to be in opposition to established Irish and Scottish history, so you may well be breaking new ground.
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